Adrian Selby

Is this why you don't believe the universe is a closed system as it were?

How can information cause physical muscles to move when it has no 'energy' whatsoever, indeed, I'm not sure how appropriate a concept it is to be considered as the same sort of thing, causally speaking, as electrons. When we see automatic responses in the limbs from the stimulation of electrons in the brain, or rather, collections of electrons known as neurons, we see muscles moving. I'm a little surprised you think that one cannot cause the other.

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Adrian Selby writes:

I don't understand what you're trying to get at. Electrons in the brain don't have enough physical energy to "cause" muscles to move. They cause muscles to move because of their information content.

The causal connection from my insult to getting hit in the face is strictly an information connection until the arm muscles move. Only the arm muscles have sufficient energy to impact my face with damaging force. So there is no strictly physical cause and effect (in the sense of measuring the ergs or something like that) from my insult to my being hit in the face.