Devilnaut

Keith Russell said:
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” A testimony is a claim, and claims (to be believed by rational persons) must be supported by evidence.”
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SF replied:
Is there any reason that you are assuming that people are theists? Atheists often disagree on all sorts of subjects, and just because two people here disagree with eachother doesn't mean one is a christian. Keith is also an atheist.

If you knew that and I misinterpreted, my apologies.

galiel

[quote]Originally posted by Douglas J. Bender:
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If you want people to believe that, and start responding seriously to your posts, I would suggest you stop talking about what other people feel and other people believe and focus on what you feel and you believe. Argue with people's opinions, address challenges to your assertions on point and not ad hominem, and don't assume to speak for your opponents or reinterpret their critiqiues to better serve your cause. As long as you do, we will continue to mock you.

SecularFuture

pug846
But where is this testimony coming from? A book that you *THINK* was inspired by God. The bible carries no credibility, and there is evidence for anything supernatural. The bible, to me, is the equivalent of a fairytale.

Douglas J. Bender
Apology accepted.

Devilnaut
Wow - You people are so polite over here. I really appreciate that. Apology accepted.

pug846

Let�s see�I might, just might have addressed this point before�

Later�

How about later?

Let�s try this one more time. This makes it attempt number 4 I believe. People will testify that they have been touched by God, have �seen� God, they have �felt� God etc. So, we have testimony of the existence of God from real live people. You continually ignore this point and at this point I have to assume you are either willfully ignoring the points damaging to your case or aren�t reading the entirety of my post. In any other context, million of people testifying that they have felt something or witnessed something is evidence. For the millionth time, it�s not good evidence in the case for God, but it is evidence.

I also think the bible is evidence, but we won�t even go down that road until you can actually concentrate on the above point for a post.

Since I�ve never claimed to be a Christian and in fact you�ve been told once or twice that I�m actually an atheist, I�m still not sure why you believe I think the bible is inspired by God. For future reference: it�s a safe bet that when someone is correctly labeled an atheist, they don�t believe that God inspired the bible.

SecularFuture

No - I'm still waiting for you to prove your God theory, and your supernatural theory. Why should either exist? Because you say so? Because of a very well written novel?

luvluv

pug is an atheist. He's just trying to help you clean up your argument.

SecularFuture

Hehe - Understood. Thats a very good technique by the way. I use it sometimes with my friends.

pug846

I give up. You obviously aren�t even bothering to try and read or understand my posts.

Douglas J. Bender

galiel,

SecularFuture believes me. What's your problem? Besides, part of arguing points of view is to focus on the inconsistencies or merits of another's point of view. Seems to me that most here don't bother to explain the arguments for atheism, but rather spend their time mocking and insulting the Christian point of view. Or are you arguing that I shouldn't respond seriously to most of the atheists' posts here?

I have done, and do, that. Just like in this post right now.

I don't do that, unless it's to "mirror" someone else's ad hominem attack in order to get them and others to recognize what they are doing.

I don't do that. However, are you so sure that's not what you're doing with regard to me?

It seems that you might have truthfully added: "And as long as you don't, we will continue to mock you anyway." At least, that's the experience I've had here, for the by far greater part.

In Christ,

Douglas

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SecularFuture

What points are you trying to make? Could you please make a small list?