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ex-idaho · 04-22-2003, 04:15 PM

I am sure most of you recall the shooting by a Palestinian man in LAX shortly after 9-11. Well this man who was disturbed and not terrorist was this past week charged under the terrorism statutes. Meanwhile a 35 year old Jewish man in Florida who was found with explosives a large cache of weapons and writings containings plans to blow up 20 or so mosque in the Miami area was charged with a hate crime. Sounds like a double standard to me.

Then today I find out that the only suspect that the FBI has in the anthrax attacks is still walking free but under 24 hour surveilance. Of course he is white.

When you consider the large number of brown people that Ashcroft and his goosesteppers have rounded up and locked away without charges or allowed them access to attorneys, family or daylight you have to ask is this a racially motivated war?

Psycho Economist · 04-22-2003, 05:00 PM

Well then, it sounds like a triple standard...

Jat · 04-22-2003, 05:10 PM

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Originally posted by ex-idaho
I am sure most of you recall the shooting by a Palestinian man in LAX shortly after 9-11. Well this man who was disturbed and not terrorist was this past week charged under the terrorism statutes. Meanwhile a 35 year old Jewish man in Florida who was found with explosives a large cache of weapons and writings containings plans to blow up 20 or so mosque in the Miami area was charged with a hate crime. Sounds like a double standard to me.

Then today I find out that the only suspect that the FBI has in the anthrax attacks is still walking free but under 24 hour surveilance. Of course he is white.

When you consider the large number of brown people that Ashcroft and his goosesteppers have rounded up and locked away without charges or allowed them access to attorneys, family or daylight you have to ask is this a racially motivated war?

Didn't you know, only white Christians and Jews are part of god's plan and the mud people are just ruining it for everyone else.

Loren Pechtel · 04-22-2003, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by ex-idaho
I am sure most of you recall the shooting by a Palestinian man in LAX shortly after 9-11. Well this man who was disturbed and not terrorist was this past week charged under the terrorism statutes. Meanwhile a 35 year old Jewish man in Florida who was found with explosives a large cache of weapons and writings containings plans to blow up 20 or so mosque in the Miami area was charged with a hate crime. Sounds like a double standard to me.

I haven't heard anything about his mental state. To me it would come down to their objective. If they simply didn't like the target of their attack then it's a hate crime. If it's part of an effort to change things then it's terrorism. I don't think we have enough information to decide on these two cases.
The Florida case sounds like a hate crime to me. I don't know about the LAX case. If he was acting alone it was a hate crime.

Then today I find out that the only suspect that the FBI has in the anthrax attacks is still walking free but under 24 hour surveilance. Of course he is white.

The problem here is that being the #1 suspect doesn't mean they have a good case. They don't. That's why he's walking around.

Gurdur · 04-22-2003, 09:38 PM

well, yeah, I think Loren Pechtel has it right.

ex-idaho · 04-22-2003, 10:54 PM

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I haven't heard anything about his mental state. To me it would come down to their objective. If they simply didn't like the target of their attack then it's a hate crime. If it's part of an effort to change things then it's terrorism. I don't think we have enough information to decide on these two cases.

According to the story that I read (sorry I can't find a link) he was set off by the ending of a relationship with his girlfriend. She happened to work at the airport and he went there to confront her.

The guy in Florida had a premeditated plan to attack religious landmarks. That is clearly a terrorist act.

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The problem here is that being the #1 suspect doesn't mean they have a good case. They don't. That's why he's walking around.

This has not stopped the roundup of hundreds of Arab immigrants and citizens. Right now there is a former Intel employee that is being held in Portland with no charges against him. He nor his family has been informed of why he was detained and why his home ransacked. His attorney has not been allowed to counsel. All they have told anyone is that he is a material witness.

Loren I don't think you could be more wrong about these cases.

Jat · 04-23-2003, 03:44 AM

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Originally posted by ex-idaho
According to the story that I read (sorry I can't find a link) he was set off by the ending of a relationship with his girlfriend. She happened to work at the airport and he went there to confront her.

The guy in Florida had a premeditated plan to attack religious landmarks. That is clearly a terrorist act.

This has not stopped the roundup of hundreds of Arab immigrants and citizens. Right now there is a former Intel employee that is being held in Portland with no charges against him. He nor his family has been informed of why he was detained and why his home ransacked. His attorney has not been allowed to counsel. All they have told anyone is that he is a material witness.

Loren I don't think you could be more wrong about these cases.

Wasn't it more like 10 000 were rounded it up?

BTW, how long before the American government decides to place Arab-Americans into concentration camps and take their property "for their own protection" like they had done to the Japanese-Americans during WWII?

beyelzu · 04-23-2003, 04:05 AM

Maybe the government's actions has something to do with the fact that Jewish terrorists didnt fly planes into our buildings????

Worldtraveller · 04-23-2003, 04:17 AM

So we round up a bunch of men of middle eastern descent (or who even LOOK like they are) because of a few radicals?
By that logic, we oughta be able stamp out them durn xtians! After all, they shoot doctors!

On another note, a lot of people in the middle east consider the Isreali's 'Jewish Terrorists'.

Ah well.
Lane

Jat · 04-23-2003, 04:22 AM

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Maybe the government's actions has something to do with the fact that Jewish terrorists didnt fly planes into our buildings????

No, they just buy protection from the American government with American tax dollars.

04-22-2003, 09:35 PM	#4
Loren Pechtel Obsessed Contributor Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Not Mayaned Posts: 96,752	Re: A double standard in justice dept arrest Originally posted by ex-idaho I am sure most of you recall the shooting by a Palestinian man in LAX shortly after 9-11. Well this man who was disturbed and not terrorist was this past week charged under the terrorism statutes. Meanwhile a 35 year old Jewish man in Florida who was found with explosives a large cache of weapons and writings containings plans to blow up 20 or so mosque in the Miami area was charged with a hate crime. Sounds like a double standard to me. I haven't heard anything about his mental state. To me it would come down to their objective. If they simply didn't like the target of their attack then it's a hate crime. If it's part of an effort to change things then it's terrorism. I don't think we have enough information to decide on these two cases. The Florida case sounds like a hate crime to me. I don't know about the LAX case. If he was acting alone it was a hate crime. Then today I find out that the only suspect that the FBI has in the anthrax attacks is still walking free but under 24 hour surveilance. Of course he is white. The problem here is that being the #1 suspect doesn't mean they have a good case. They don't. That's why he's walking around.

04-23-2003, 04:17 AM	#9
Worldtraveller Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 7,834	Jewish Terrorists... So we round up a bunch of men of middle eastern descent (or who even LOOK like they are) because of a few radicals? By that logic, we oughta be able stamp out them durn xtians! After all, they shoot doctors! On another note, a lot of people in the middle east consider the Isreali's 'Jewish Terrorists'. Ah well. Lane

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04-22-2003, 04:15 PM	#1
ex-idaho Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Spudtopia, ID Posts: 5,315	A double standard in justice dept arrest I am sure most of you recall the shooting by a Palestinian man in LAX shortly after 9-11. Well this man who was disturbed and not terrorist was this past week charged under the terrorism statutes. Meanwhile a 35 year old Jewish man in Florida who was found with explosives a large cache of weapons and writings containings plans to blow up 20 or so mosque in the Miami area was charged with a hate crime. Sounds like a double standard to me. Then today I find out that the only suspect that the FBI has in the anthrax attacks is still walking free but under 24 hour surveilance. Of course he is white. When you consider the large number of brown people that Ashcroft and his goosesteppers have rounded up and locked away without charges or allowed them access to attorneys, family or daylight you have to ask is this a racially motivated war?

04-22-2003, 05:00 PM	#2
Psycho Economist Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Peoria, IL Posts: 854	Well then, it sounds like a triple standard...

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Gurdur Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Buggered if I know Posts: 12,410	well, yeah, I think Loren Pechtel has it right.

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beyelzu Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: the peach state ga I am a metaphysical naturalist Posts: 2,869	Maybe the government's actions has something to do with the fact that Jewish terrorists didnt fly planes into our buildings????

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