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ex-idaho · 02-09-2003, 08:17 PM

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But to make fun of a man who might die because of that "symbol" is simply distasteful.

I never made fun of anyone. I merely asked what the big deal was.

I think your reasoning was sound and I can say that had I been in a similar situation then I may have felt the same way. I'm not a very sentimental person about really anything so that may explain my feelings.

Shadowy Man · 02-09-2003, 08:27 PM

I would rather people burn the flag and wrap themselves in the consitution than burn the constitution and wrap themselves in the flag.

ex-idaho · 02-09-2003, 08:34 PM

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The best irony is when the conservatives get on their high horse and talk about passing a Constitutional amendment to prohibit flag burning since the flag is the symbol of this country and its principles.

No, the best irony is that they will go to incredible lengths to protect the flag but fought the protection of the Bald Eagle with the all the might they could muster.

beyelzu · 02-09-2003, 08:39 PM

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Originally posted by ex-idaho
For a guy that claims to support a persons right to burn the flag you sure are quick to call them unAmerican. Afterall according to the site that Krieger posted it is there for the single purpose of protecting the right to burn it.

I do think that burning the flag is unamerican, I just also think that people most definitely have the right to burn it. Besides, Krieger and I have history. He spent most of a thread calling me a racist.

beyelzu · 02-09-2003, 08:40 PM

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Originally posted by Grad Student Humanist
The best irony is when the conservatives get on their high horse and talk about passing a Constitutional amendment to prohibit flag burning since the flag is the symbol of this country and its principles.

So what they're saying is that they would violate one of the key principles this country was founded on-- the right to free expression-- in order to protect the symbol of said principles. :banghead:

I agree, destroying freedom to perserve the flag is just fucking stupid.

Krieger · 02-09-2003, 08:45 PM

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Originally posted by ex-idaho
For a guy that claims to support a persons right to burn the flag you sure are quick to call them unAmerican. Afterall according to the site that Krieger posted it is there for the single purpose of protecting the right to burn it.

ex-idaho, recall conservative logic: "anyone I'm notta like'n is one'a them there anti-Americuns!"

beyelzu · 02-09-2003, 08:51 PM

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Originally posted by Krieger
ex-idaho, recall conservative logic: "anyone I'm notta like'n is one'a them there anti-Americuns!"

not so, but thanks for using illiterate langauge to imply that I am stupid.

I dont think people who disagree with me are anti american. I think that you offer no solutions and go out of your way to bitch about everything that america ever does is antiamerican.

I dont think that people think that burning the flag is ok is antiamerican either, I think that they are wrong. I find the act of burning the flag itself to be unamerican.

August Spies · 02-09-2003, 08:56 PM

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I would rather people burn the flag and wrap themselves in the consitution than burn the constitution and wrap themselves in the flag.

Good quote! :notworthy

Krieger · 02-09-2003, 09:14 PM

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Originally posted by Beyelzu

I dont think people who disagree with me are anti american.

Actions speak louder than words, Beyelzu.

copernicus · 02-09-2003, 09:26 PM

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Originally posted by Shadowy Man
I would rather people burn the flag and wrap themselves in the consitution than burn the constitution and wrap themselves in the flag.

My sentiments exactly! It is not un-American to burn the flag. It is uniquely American to burn the flag and not be thrown in jail for it. The whole point of America is to preserve the freedom to express opinions, even if they are repulsive and obnoxious to the majority. People have died to preserve our right to free expression.

That said, I am vehemently opposed to the burning of the American flag as a protest tactic. Intentional or not, it spreads the message of hatred of all that is American. It is easy to dismiss protesters as irrational people who are filled with hatred. If you want to promote a political cause, the most effective way is through honest public debate, not emotional displays of hatred.

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