ju'iblex

that is a terribly bizarre way to think. Ad demonstrandum:

person x: An apple is long, thin, yellow and grows in the tropics. i don't like apples.
person y: that's not an apple.
person x: I don't care, i don't like apples.

You can't just go around assigning names to definitions when said word already has a definition. That's ridiculous.

oh for crying out loud. I'm 17, been at II since 15, never taken a phil logic and language course or anything like it, and have managed to be considered half-decent enough in order to become a moderator. Age is no excuse around here and the only difference between you and I is that I have always considered things, especially gods, with a dash of salt and always asked questions.

And to start getting on topic, what you are proposing is social darwinism; a theory which has been used to "evidence" a wide range of moral judgements such as racism, eugenics, and surprise surprise, homophobia. social darwinism was abandoned for a damn good reason, it's a naturalistic fallacy.

Also, to counter your anecdotal evidence, i provide myself and a number of my friends. All these people including myself have never experienced trauma of any kind, have had relatively happy childhoods and are terribly well-adjusted people. Some of them are bi, others like myself are gay. Thus, none of us were influenced by a major external radical factor, none of us "chose" our orientation; how exactly are you willing to explain us, and many like us away?

Also, you claim homosexuality is "unnatural" based on the basic principle that we are here to breed for the advancement of a species. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't that require us all to have an inate desire to reproduce, straight or gay? And, you would have to show that homosexuality in the modern world is synonymous with non-child-producing. And, you would have to show that if homosexuality and non-child production is synonymous, that this would prove detrimental to society.

Go 'head. I'm listening.

jayh

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Eagel4Jesus


B]It is still a THEORY of evolution, you cannot prove it. And when you break it down and go to the very beginning, evolution you have somehow a large amount of matter was there, boom, everything formed perfectly, and then there was life.[/B]

No evolution is NOT THE SLIGHTEST BIT like that. It is almost impossible to address your issues because you don't have a clue as to what you are arguing against.

[In creation, you have a supernatural being that creates the large amount of matter, He makes it go boom, everything forms perfectly, He creates life.


So making that statement qualifies as evidence? Do you understand the meaning of evidence? What evidence do you have that is what happened?

For that matter, what evidence could you point to to prove to a space visitor that it was your god and not Zeus that created the earth?

j

Ab_Normal

[off-topic]Maybe god needed a hobby. Eternity must get boring.[/off-topic]

Dr Rick

Besure to enroll in one of the couses offered in this department

Bree

jui'blex is right; here, age is no excuse for ignorance. I suggest you get that idea out of your head, especially if you're headed for college. Professors don't like excuses, even less so when someone pretends to be at a disadvantage simply because they've lived less years than the person next to them.

I'm interested to know how many homosexuals (real ones, not the "converts") you know, or have come in contact with. It has been my experience that, once a Christian gets to know someone on the so-called other side, their opinion changes - perhaps not drastically, but in some way.

Ensign Steve

Hehe, good one, Dr. Rick. Maybe philosophy, logic, and physics, too while he's at it.

Godless Dave

TBN has lied to you again. "Normal" Christians do not think that humans and other animals have been on the earth for no more than 12,000 years. Only a subset of Christians, based on theology formulated at the end of the 19th Century, and confined almost entirely to the United States, believe that.

tronvillain

Eagel4Jesus:
As has been pointed out, believing that the world is no more than twelve thousand years old is not "normal" for Christians. While I disagree with their beliefs, I am happy to say that most Christians accept the evidence that indicates that the world is billions of years old. Young Earth Creationism is a joke.

abe smith

...shoot! I forgot already..... OH! >>> As no-one anywhere has yet solved to determine WHAT the cause(s) --- ( I'm betting those're plural.) --- of being-Queer are, my dear EAGEL 4; I 'd like to suggest that you not come to this group of fairly-sophisticated um, non-theists, waving assertions about your *certainty* of what causes the behaviours et tutti cuanti which some people like to label "homosexual". (Your) Labels and labelling-systems are plumb UNNATURAL, my dear Person, according to your criterion because they are *MAN-MADE*.
Meanwhile welcome to our midst; you could learn a lot here.

Misso

A shame that that's only based on a belief, you can't really go around basing arguementations on that. Just last week, I think it was, that a 150,000 year old human was found.

Your whole arguementation of why homosexuality wouldn't be natural in some way hangs together from non-sequiturs, strawman's, appeals to nature and downright denials. How can you expect to be taken serious?