luvluv

"Lewis was extensively ripped in the Morals Forum earlier this year."

I think we agreed to disagree on the Mere Christianity Thread, but C.S. pretty much won the Problem of Pain thread.

Vorkosigan

Lewis was blown away on both threads.

Vorkosigan

Jack the Bodiless

And, when Christians deny the existence of the Invisible Pink Unicorn, they are acknowledging the Invisible Pink Unicorn.

"If there were no IPU, there would be no aUnicornists" - Jack the Bodiless

Ender

WTF? However the hell did you came to that conclusion? A quick perusal of the links shows that your defense of Lewis was largely inadequate. Perhaps what you see or wrote only reinforced your assumptions and what doesn't is conveniently ignored.

~WiGGiN~

Jack the Bodiless

I really enjoyed the Narnia books as a kid, except the scene where Aslan returned from the dead. It just didn't make sense. We were supposed to be worried about Aslan: he was in Big Trouble. Then, suddenly, he wasn't? I felt that the author was cheating.

Later, I felt the same way about Gandalf's miraculous return from his death-plunge in Moria: "whaddaya mean, he just came back???" No explanation of why he didn't signal for help after surviving the fall (was he knocked out?). No mention of his long, lonely journey through Moria and across much of Middle-Earth trying to catch up with the others.

Of course, I didn't know about the "Christian symbolism" in those days. I just knew it was bunk.

St. Robert

Christians don't deny the existence of Invisible Pink Unicorns, because it would be absurd to make an acknowledge towards them. You just solidified Lewis' argument.

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HelenM

(There's only one Invisible Pink Unicorn to those who believe in Her - but I guess you weren't to know if you're not familiar with that &lt;AHEM&gt; belief system...)

Anyway, I don't know what C.S. Lewis said originally on this...but this version of it is silly.

Because: ok, I ask you, St Robert:

"Does the Invisible Pink Unicorn exist?"

If you respond with "no" then you have just acknowledged that the IPU does exist, by your denial?! Give me a break! Of course not!

Of course you are not going to say "yes".

So your only option is not to respond which I would say is rude...and therefore in violation of a multitude of Bible verses...so I'm sure you wouldn't do that...

So you are stuck with "yes" or "no" both of which acknowledge the IPU's existence, according to your version and application of C. S. Lewis's argument...

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Helen

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Wyrdsmyth

By not acknowledging the Invisible Pink Unicorn, you deny it. There's no way out. Either you believe in his existence or you don't.

You know, St Robert, maybe you just don't want to believe. Have you considered that?

not a theist

That's utterly absurd.

"If there were no fairys, there would be no afairyists."

We do have the ability to talk about things which we don't believe actually exist in the real world. To talk about such things in no way entails a tacit acknowledgement of their existence. Fictitious characters are evaluated on a regular basis in such disciplines as literary criticism.

"Sherlock Holmes does not exist." Have I now admitted that he really does exist just by talking about him?
Sure, on one level. He exists as a character in a book. This in no way entails his existence in the real world.

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St. Robert

If a person truly believed that God doesn't exist, they wouldn't bother wasting their time debating his existence.