rainbow walking

Hello rainbow walking,

Hello David,

David: Humans are evil.

Rw: No David, this is a lie perpetrated by your cult. Humans CAN become so and commit actions that can justifiably be declared so across the board as evil, but all humans are not evil. To take the actions of a comparatively few in relation to the majority and declare ALL humans evil is evil itself. Humans are born neutral, not evil sinners as your cult propaganda lies to us and claims. You’ve been listening to too many sermons from your professional mouthpieces. Humans have the CHOICE to be good or evil or neither, depending on the situation.
Humans are not, I repeat ARE NOT, evil by default. This poisonous doctrine is the crowbar used to pry open men’s minds to allow your cult germ to inject its virus. It is a lie and was invented by the father of lies and does not represent reality or the truth, period!
Only by ignoring the fact that if humans were truly evil they’d have become extinct centuries ago can your lying cult continue to hoist this filth upon unsuspecting humanity. I intend to dedicate a good portion of my Philosophy of Life to revealing this putrid sore and the puss oozing from its rotting flesh as a result of this disease.

Only by ignoring the fact that if humans were truly evil we’d never have progressed beyond the dark ages that were, BTW, the direct result of xianity’s cult control over men’s minds. If there is any evil in this world today it’s directly related to mysticism and Christianity and Judaism and Muslimism, period! Care to take a geographical tour of all the battles and skirmishes going on around the world and see who is fighting who?

You have no idea how much and passionately I loathe, detest, hate, reject and curse this lie. I am not evil, my wife is not evil, my sons are not evil, my neighbors are not evil, my co-workers are not evil, my doctor is not evil, my barber is not evil, my friends are not evil, my mother is not evil and, in fact, I don’t know a single person in all of my 47 years on this planet, other than Bin Laden and his cohorts, (who have progressed to the final stage of the religious disease), who I would classify or label as evil, except those who continue to recklessly mouth this insidious filth as though it were true. This lie of lies is evil, more evil than anything you could ever perpetrate against humanity in your fallen state of intellectual sickness. I wonder how many wrongful and evil acts have been committed by people who’ve been mis-led and brain washed by this slanderous filth? Since this disease has been around almost as long as man, I would be VERY inclined to suspect that this LIE has enabled and empowered and encouraged more evil than anything humanity could ever imagine. It’s time it be exposed for what it is and what it actually accomplishes and what it was invented to achieve.


David: Humans have a long history of committed all sorts of atrocities and engaging in wars,

Rw: Yes they have David and good humans have ultimately come out on top. But this intellectual disease ridden dis-honesty totally ignores the FACT that humans have a LONGER history of working to save and heal and help and prevent war and produce the requisites of life and love and art and beauty. This despicable lie only lurks in the darkness of minimizing all the good that humanity has done and harping only on his mistakes. What a cheap, ignorant, bigoted, unmitigated pack of cockroach dung infested scallions your cult propandizers are for infecting the minds of humanity with this tripe. I rebuke the lot of you.

David: humans are known to be filled with hate,

Rw: That’s not evil, it’s an emotion and sometimes a very useful one from which such virtues as justice and fairness and equity have their origin. Need I remind you that your imaginary deity hates? So is it evil also?

David: anger, bitterness, prejudice and lust.

Rw: None of these emotions are evil. Only an idiot would think they are. I know you’re not an idiot so I can only assume you’ve been deceived along with a goodly portion of the rest of humanity.

David: Humans pollute the environment,

Rw: That’s ignorance, not evil. Very rarely is there found a case where a person or group of people intentionally do this. One Saddam Hussien comes to mind and the last time I saw him on TV, (just recently), he was kneeling to pray to his imaginary deity.

David: drive species to extinction,

Rw: Ignorance, not intentional premeditated evil.

David: exploit the poor,

Rw: You mean like the church?

David: oppress the helpless

Rw: Acts committed by a very infinitesimally small group of individuals compared to the combined population of this planet.

David: and are selfish.

Rw: And that is not evil, it’s human nature and please don’t try to tell me human nature is evil.

David: Humans go out of their way to slander, offend, insult and harm each other, treating both friend and foe in the same evil manner.

Rw: None of those are evil, they might be rude, inconsiderate, uncaring or impetuous but they are definitely not evil. Your cult germ has lowered your standards of judgment to such a low degree of understanding as to make life itself appear evil. Get a grip David.

rw:

Conclusion: Religion is EVIL. Man is not!

David: If science's goal is to guarantee the continued existence of humankind, its actions contradict that ideal.

Rw: Bullshit. I tell you what David, if you REALLY believe this go and sell your car, your computer, all your scientifically developed toys, turn off your electricity and running water, dis-connect your sewer system, divorce yourself from all modern scientifically devised conveniences, avoid roads, bridges, McDonalds, and any means of transportation other than your own two feet, strip yourself of all your clothing manufactured using modern scientific methods, toss out your deodorant, toothpaste, soap and toilet paper, empty your frig and sell it along with the house, and live your life like you REALLY mean this crap! Be BOLD David! Be an example! Show us heathen how a Christian really practices all the trash he preaches. Don’t hold back David. Go for it!

David: Science developed nuclear, biological and chemical weapons sufficient to drive humankind to extinction.

Rw: To protect people from religious and sick minded zealots and power hungry idiots who would drive us to extinction in more hideous ways than you could imagine. Nuclear energy also generates the electricity you run your computer with. Biology has isolated and found cures and treatments for diseases that have ravaged humanity for thousands of years. Chemistry has created fertilizers and untold numerous life enhancing products. You dishonor mankind and his greatest efforts in this line of crappy dappy reasoning. People who espouse such ignorance do not deserve to enjoy the benefits.

David: Science and technology pollute the earth's air, oceans and lands which deadly and debilitation chemicals.

Rw: Mostly out of ignorance and science and technology will clean up the mess.

David: Science and technology's promise of easing life's burdens has evaporated into the stressful gridlock of our city streets, the lowest-common-denominator entertainment which fills our televisions and the death & violence which fills our newspapers.

Rw: Preach it brother Dave, better yet, prove it brother Dave, get out of your pulpit dude it ain’t working. Let’s trace the lives of the perpetrators of any given crime and I’ll bet you a days wages the majority of them were infected with the god germ somewhere in their past and were sold the whole bullshit line about being evil. Ever wonder why the MAJORITY of every inmate in America’s prisons subscribes to some type of religious persuasion?

David: If you think that science is right you are wrong.

Rw: Prove it Dave, don’t preach it, live like you really believe it. Move to a remote island in the Pacific and never show your face among humans again for the rest of your life. And don’t take a boat because it was likely a product of some scientific accomplishment in chemistry and engineering. Pray to you imaginary deity to provide you the tools and necessities of life. Don’t lift a finger to do anything for yourself because you might pollute some stream in the process or exterminate some forgotten species.

David: Humans have created this monster called science and it is threatening to drive us to extinction.

Rw: What an intellectual coward you’ve demonstrated yourself to be. I’m very disappointed David. I thought you loved science?

Dave: I wonder how civilization ten thousand years from now will view the failed promises of science today?

Rw: They won’t. They’ll be too busy enjoying the benefits derived from those trial and errors while religiously infected minds were crying foul and sending troops to Congress to legislate its failure. While we’re on the subject, what has your religion and mysticism ever contributed to the future of mankind Dave? Hell, if we had divorced ourselves from our goodness and intellect and blindly followed your cults dreams we’d all be slaves…or worse. If science fails there won’t likely be anyone around in ten thousand years to bemoan it. I wonder when civilization will wake up and begin to honestly view the failed promises of religion that have been made for several millinia?

David Mathews

Hello Bracer,

David: Yes, it is stating the obvious. True nonetheless.

David: Because God has granted humans free will, allowing us to act as foolishly, blasphemously and evil a manner as we choose to behave.

David: God does allow humans to act in this manner, as evidenced by the ability of humans to act in this manner. Should God not allow humans to behave sinfully? Should God not allow you to think whatever you will about Him? You can answer those questions for your own self.

David: The Roswell myth is not analogous to the Religious histories. History does not function as history within the context of religions and therefore it is inappropriate to consider such accounts "mythical" with the assumption that "mythical"="false".

David: I don't see where you found the above argument in the quoted paragraph.

David: Context. Jews and Christians have discussed such issues for nearly two thousand years, it is by no means a simple subject.

Sincerely,

David Mathews

David Mathews

Hello Answerer,

David: I am not speaking about "a few humans." Over history the population of humans who have engaged in violence and warfare must exceed one billion, a significant percentage of the total human population.

Besides, a larger group (many billions) are think and speak violence and hate, and/or are entertained by violence and hate.

Humans are evil.

Sincerely,

David Mathews

Answerer

There are far more others who prefer peace than pointless bloodshed, the population of violence humans is in no way bigger than the rest of the population of humans who prefer rest.

David Mathews

Hello Theli,

David: Omniscience is a quality of God by definition. As to the question of what omniscience means, whatever thought may arise in my mind as to what that word means is false because the mind cannot conceive of absolute knowledge nor absolute truth.

David: God's existence is known by faith, and faith is trustworthy for the believer.

David: Your atoms are not "you" they are just atoms. The chair you are sitting on is not you and not God. The chair is no mystery but its fundamental components are a great mystery. "We" is the totality of the Universe which is perceptible to humankind.

David: Jesus' divinity is by no means a lie.

David: Science is not omniscient. Science is not infallible. Do you agree?

David: People who become obsessed with preserving hteir own life may cease to engage in any "risky" activities and virtually confine themselves within the security of their home. Otherwise they might bother doctors will every little pain, ache or sickness of their body and therefore harm their productivity.

David: God does not force us to love people. God won't force you to love anybody. It is all matter of choice on your own part.

David: You say that religion is a failure. Some failure: 4 billion religious people on the planet, and of that group hundreds of millions who have made substantial sacrifices of their comfort, time, wealth and life based upon their devotion to their religion.

Religion has not failed by any measure.

Sincerely,

David Mathews

David Mathews

Hello davidm,

David: I love the idealism of science as it searches after knowledge and understanding of the Universe. I hate the sins of science as it demolishes human dignity, develops weapons of mass destruction and destroys the environment.

David: Science as mankind's savior is a great paradox. Have you made a religion of science?

David: Atheists should have existential dread.

David: Some atheists disagree with you.

Sincerely,

David Mathews

David Mathews

Hello sandlewood,

David: Science is good at what science does. Religion is good at what religion does. Science and religion both have their own territory and there is in reality very few little contact between the two.

David; These are all mysteries, and the fundamental question is also a mystery.

Sincerely,

David Mathews

Answerer

Anyway, David, your claim humans are evil are definitely wrong. If being is evil by nature, it will love destruction or preverted ideas very much and will does it most if not all of the time. But the point is that there is no one seen doing killings from beginning of his life til his death. Have you ever seen a baby or young children doing unspeakable evil acts during their childhood? Furthermore, even though humans may commit killings or some other crimes, but there is much more points in their lives in which they, not only, live in peace and also do good deeds.
Therefore, humans are not demons and are definitely not evil by nature.

HelenM

It depends how you define 'failure'. If all those sacrifices are in vain, because there was no God or because people were mistaken in thinking God required them, then one could say religion has failed humankind...couldn't one?

love
Helen

HelenM

They don't have the power, actually.

I think it's true that children can be very selfish - if that's a label one wants to place on their learning to individuate and separate themselves from the world around them and learn the meaning of 'me'.

Kids will do things like hit other kids out of curiosity to see their reaction; take toys away from another kid just because the other kid wants it even if it upsets the other kid - simply because they want that.

Go forward a few decades and the same people are fighting wars over land just because they want it.

It's "mine, mine!" at different ages.

So...whilst kids are unable to commit great atrocities, if you watch them you will see that they aren't little angels with ne'er an unselfish thought in their heads. Their world revolves around them and their needs from birth. It just does. Maybe that's how we survive to adulthood, in part - maybe it's all part of the will to live. I'm not sure how to interpret it. But I do know it's not true that kids are free of the impulses that drive adults to do terrible things as soon as they have big enough toys and enough power to do them with - as it were...

I know kids can be sweet and loving and unselfish too. These things as well as the less societally constructive things, begin in childhood. So it seems to me.

Just so you know I'm not trying to portray kids as all good or all bad.

love
Helen

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