AJ113

For Typhon:

If you were really knowledgeable you would realise [sic] that in the UK we spell "realise" [sic] with an es and not with a zed [sic.]


Typhon:
.........or realised that it was really YOU that was at the root of the problems?

Typhon:
If I was God, the feeling would be mutual. Lucky for you I am not, eh?

DRFseven

Whoa! Yes, AJ113, we are very lucky, indeed.

Typhon

Poor AJ,

What am I, the bloody Wizard of Oz? You can not escape the light of logic, so you throw ink at our poor Yank spelling habits. Silly pom. And you had something of substance, I'm sure, to say?

Oh yeah, that is exactly what every abuser bends their will to making the victim believe, "it is because you are bad/late/clumsy/asking for it, that I had to hit you/rape you/beat you/abuse you, but I still love you..."

Interesting that one the more recently caught molesting Catholic priests had the gall to state to the press and his fellow church men, that many of his victims had "been coming on to him, because of his position."

Bah. The whole lot should be dumped in the New Jersey river, to go out with all the rest of the trash.

Naw, if you showed the same crazy behavior as the other imaginary one, you'd still be having to stay a hundred feet away from reason, logic, and me at all times.

.T.

"If God has spoken, why is the world not convinced."

- Percy Bysshe Shelley

Jobar

Gemma and the other theists here put Faith over Reason. Problem is, Faith is unintelligible- it is ultimately unreasonable!

Gemma, I think that none of us here would actively begrudge you your Faith except that you insist it can be justified by reason. So far as I can tell, and the other atheists here can tell, all attempts to derive the existence of God by logic and reason fail. And words- languages- are dependent on logic and reason. So you are literally incapable of saying what you mean!

If you agree with my point, yet refuse to give up your Faith, you must necessarily become a mystic and not talk about your religion at all.

And if you persist in claiming that God can be known through witnessing and preaching, you will continue to get beat up on in these forums!

AJ113

Typhon:
Nope, the Wizard of Oz is a bloody fictional character. I used my reasoning and logic to work that out.

Typhon:
Your fellow countrymen have nothing to do with this, Typhon, it is your own conduct that I object to.

Typhon:
The inevitable ad hominem. What's the matter, run out of witty things to say?

Typhon:
Calm down, Typhon. My purpose was to present an alternative, valid viewpoint to the one previously posted. I had no intention of presenting an all-encompassing solution for the failure of relationships, as you seem to infer by your outraged answer.

Typhon:
Typhon is supposed to be a loving caring human. I refuse to believe in a Typhon that would damn his fellow humans to eternal extinction. No matter what crimes they committed, nobody deserves this kind of punishment.

Jobar

Funny, I never knew the New Jersey river was Hell.

AJ113, I have read this whole thread, and I see no evidence of Typhon being unreasonable- if "silly pom" was the worst insult ever used on these boards, I would consider my own job as a mod to be superfluous. You, however, should mind the log in your own eye.

Typhon

AJ113 sez:

Why not then make the leap (or shall I say, four inch weave and stumble) to use logic and reasoning to work out the nature of other, equally fictional characters, like god? Or do you have a reason, other than feelings, for us to hold that one fictional character is more likely than another, like the Wizard of Oz?

I dunno, I'm pretty witty when I want to be. Hmm, what do you think, should I take a break from all my honest and serious questions (since you don't seem able or interested in answering them) and just throw out pithy one-liners? What do you think AJ?

Poor Typhon, tired of typing pages of questions and pointing out the pages and pages of errors and appeals to emotion and nonsense, has dared to make a funny (shrug). Since your fellow theist on the thread has already admitted they're ill equipped to handle the intellectual issues so far raised, why don't you jump in AJ? I'd be interested if you have a better defense than feelings in this case.

Again, I thought it highly amusing that the only definitive (and justified) defense you have had in your or Gemma's case about the impossibility of a position which depends on faith, rather than facts, to support its claims, was a wheedling complaint because my spell-checker isn't British, and that neither am I. It was certainly not, an attack on you, so I remained surprised that you continue to react like someone put a hornet's nest in your trousers. Honestly, is it because you are angered by my arguments? If so, or if they are in error, please rebut with one of your own.

As was mine. That is exactly what both abusers, most often tell their victims (and interesting enough, so does the Christian faith), that they are at fault, that they are the sinful ones, that they deserve what's happening to them. What exactly is your problem with that fact?

Damn? Eternal extinction? What are you talking about? Have you confused me for a theist?

IMO, Catholic priests who abuse children and parishioners, who have been lying, hiding, and being shielded by the Catholic Church for years and years, should be taken out back of their churches, or in front for that matter, shot, and dumped in the river, to go out with all the rest of the trash.

I have neither love nor sympathy for such monsters, especially those who hide their crimes behind the veil of religion, as is so often the case. Have you confused me for a theist or something? There is no hell, there is no god, and there certainly is no justice but the justice we as a society make for ourselves.

Now, I know in reality that this will not happen, because of the rule of law. I'm not even in favor of capital punishment. However, I feel justified in expressing my anger on this topic, how ever witty or sarcastic I want to be about it.

.T.

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Hugo There

You atheists are wrong, God does exist. The Great Ghoombha, creator of all good things (also accidentally created Dennis Miller), calls me on the phone almost daily. He comes over to my house for barbeques a couple times a month (you should see the beer flowing from the water taps).Fortunately he is a carefree, humorous god with a strong ego. He does not wish for us to bow down and worship him. He assures me that both Christians and Atheists will have fresh beer in the afterlife, providing they are halfway civil in this life. (Ted Bundy is forced to drink stale Texas Pride beer). Praise Ghoombha.

Hugo There

Gemma Therese

Sorry, guys. I have been busy, um, you know, having a life. I'll start posting again. &lt;collective moans&gt;&gt;



Gemma Therese

David M. Payne

I think this about sums up the position all theists here are in. (From a thread on Scientology, Non-AR&P forum) As the longest running and most successful scam in history, religion has no equal when it comes to pulling the suckers (and their money) in.

David