Ion

I bet, that won't happen:
"...thus proving that god exists." didn't ever happen in human history.
That's 'God''s problem:
'Omnipresent', 'omnipotent' 'God' who allegedly comunicates to humans that he wants to be loved, hasn't done anything in human history.

It doesn't exist other than being a superstition.

Ion

I rely on science when dealing with natural events.

To my knowledge, this hasn't been observed as a phenomenon by science.

Outside scientific observations, common people have plenty of illusions.

Theli

AJ133...

*sigh*
Thanks for nothing, AJ.
I'll rephraze the question (I don't understand why I should)...
How would you know that someone is making a false observational claim?

I didn't say anything about him revealing his own lie (for instance - through laughter). I was, and am refering to a person with pokerface.
You do know what a pokerface is, don't you?
Ofcourse you can read alot from a persons face, aswell as his voice. But most times you don't have that luxuary.

But in order to do so, you must examine his observational claim. And that is something you deemed impossible (all claims are equal, remember?).

Then, how does those doubts come to be?

I never said anything about calling people liars. I'm not going to go around screaming "LIAR!!!" in people's faces. Most claims you get is of a very ordinary manner. People don't usually come up to me and say "Hey, I just saw a UFO in my toilet. It was Elvis. Elvis was a UFO".

Not just deliberate falsehood. The person making a claim might have been given false information. He thinks it's true, and therefore his voice and face should be "acting sincere". You will have to evaluate the claim itself.

We do have such a sense. It's called logic. Ofcourse our logic is not completely perfect, but what sense is?

Oh, ok. You just disagree.
Could you explain why your method of evaluating a claim is not less effective?

I never said that. I agree that we can say very little with 100% certainty. I don't even try to reach 100% certainty.

I did see above. But the text above had barely anything to do with my question.
I wanted to know how you would process and evaluate such a claim.

Yes, I'm suicidal. Hysterical.
Seriously, I just want you to explain your line of thinking. If you are incapable of answering, then just say so. There's no need to make sarcastic remarks.

Is this on a personal approach? You don't know anything about me. If I have my reasons to prove something is a lie, it is not of your concern.
Trying to get this discussion back on track, dispite your strawmen...

Many?
Not all?

Erhhh... So all books you have ever read, all people who has ever opened their mouths on television, you have believed?
What if two books contradict eachother? Then what do you do?
How do you decide wich religion that is right? Since their claims are all of equal value and truth, you must take them all as the truth. Now, aren't you gullible? I'm only asking, because a person who believes in everything he reads is very gullible.
What would happen if 2 people you don't know makes each a claim. One says that they saw a cow eating grass on a field, while the other say they saw godzilla eating icecream on the same field. They were both there at the same time, and they reject eachothers stories. Both of them seem equally sincere. How would you evaluate wich one of them was telling the truth, and who was not?
If you are presented with 2 contradicting stories, do you assume they are both true, simply cause they are both possible?

Where do you get the idea that I'm hurting?

Why are you stunned?
Is this a bad way to treat people?
So, according to you...
1. People become omniscient when they become my friends.
2. My family is omniscient.
3. My friends cannot lie and cannot be wrong, no matter how unlikely their claims are.
4. Claims are more likely if you know the person who makes them.
5. If someone close to me tells me that I'm about to be obducted by orcs, I should hide under my bed with a knife scared out of my mind.
6. You don't have any non-cristian friends. If you did, you would have to take their non-cristian claims as true, or you are not nice.

I don't know how old you are, but I hope you didn't use this line of thinking in school. "Yes. He looks sincere, better do what he says, dip my head in the toilet and look for the gold he promised me"