long winded fool

I still don't see the logic of it being ethical to murder an innocent homo sapiens sapiens. If murder is the killing of an innocent human being, why is legal abortion different than legal murder? I define innocent human being as a human who is not threatening the life of another. Can anyone prove that all unborn humans are threatening the lives of their mothers? Can anyone prove that not all homo sapiens sapiens are humans? If so, can I also draw the line where I want to, or do I have to get a majority vote first? There used to be a line of human rights in this country based on race. How is this different than basing human rights on age or level of mental development?

The appeal to women's rights is an obvious red herring and therefore a logical fallacy in the question of the rights of unborn humans. The rights of all human beings are in question, not just a single gender. At what point does an innocent human being get the right to live? At what point can an innocent human being's right to live be revoked? Why?

tronvillain

I am of the opinion that pregnancy should be terminates at whatever point in the pregnancy a mother desires. As long as it is in her body, she can get rid of it whenever she likes as far as I am concerned. I am against infanticide (i.e. killing a baby after it is born) since the infant is no longer within the mother and could be cared for by someone else, but I do not consider it on par with the murder of a child or an adult.

Loren Pechtel

You have assumed your conclusion in your argument. We don't agree that it's a person!

Puck

Thank you, Loren. I was having a hard time putting my finger of what was out of whack there.

Because you say so, doen't make it so. long winded fool, I get the distinct feeling that you just aren't grasping what others say. I'm left to conclude that you have come to your conclusion and are unwilling to accept that there are valid arguments against it.

crocodile deathroll

I feel it is natural for us humans to have strong emotional qualms about terminating a pregnancy late term.
However if it comes to the crunch of terminatiing late term is preferable to infanticide. And I find it far more shocking that in some countries with strict anti-abortion laws like in Bolivia also among the world's hightest rates of infanticide and would be mothers dying from botched backyard abortions.
So much for the slippery slope argument.

Bumble Bee Tuna

I'm with tronvillian, essentially.

-B

crocodile deathroll

On the issue of infanticide I just wish the Catholic church would put a lot more energy into protecting the newborn than it does with the unborn. It has become a real obsession with them

long winded fool

When does it become a person?

Claudia

I voted 3 months because it is close to the moment the mother can feel the baby moving in the womb.
From the baby point of view, I do not think the brain is still enough developped to be a person, but from the mother point of view, if she feel it moving she will probably begun to consider it as a person. So I say after 3 months, restriction to health reasons, and more and more restriction whith the baby's growth. I still have not decided on cases where there are strong social reasons to abort, but it has been impossible (for various reasons) to do it before the 4th month.

long winded fool

So is the argument that the mother decides when and if her child is a person, or that she decides whether or not the person has rights? I'm just trying to get a handle on this from an objective standpoint. Do you disagree that the fetus is human, or that the human has rights?