Amit Misra

Eyes-Only: Hinduthvaite
Revolutionaries, dear friend, do not lie. Savarkar was either begging the British for mercy, or he was lying. Fascists lie. Bhagat Singh, the revolutionary, met Savarkar and paid his respects in the same manner that I bow to thee! Ambedkar helped Savarkar? Why and how? I'm weak on Ambedkar and would really appreciate the info. As far as I know, Ambedkar's rejection of Hinduttva (and Islam) derived from his rationality and atheism. He advocatede a bit of social engineering, by recommending that the so-called scheduled castes renounce brahminical hinduism and accept Buddhism. This was a great idea, IMHO, and one that was recently replicated by Mr. Udit Raj in New Delhi (despite severe breast beating and gnashing of teeth by the RSS-VHP-BD).

Second, I'm not out to "prove" anything. I'm a practising scientist, and my job is to falsify! I was trying to rupture the debate by bad-mouthing that low-life: Savarkar.

I think, since English is a second language for both of us, and I don't follow Tamil (or is it Malayalam-- I hear Nagercoil is comfortable with both) and you aren't presumably comfortable with Hindi, there is a bit of Alan Sokal peeping through our posts...

I think that there is no convincing denial of Hitlerism by the RSS. I continue to think that the RSS has an agenda of "one nation, one people, one ideology" and that this grotesque monolith is all it is hurtling towards. Please give me some room for sophistication: I don't grudge the RSS its khaki shorts (though they look ridiculous on portly, middle-aged men), or the swasti-sign its preeminence in Tantra. That's not Nazi. It is the strategy of browbeating the opposition by vituperation, the repitition of untruths, the imputation of motives, the privileging of an imagined history, the targeting of societal "others" and the lust for political power that ties RSS to Hitler.
Say what? You have the last word, and we call it a day. See you sometime later.

Hinduthvaite

Hindu Nationalism clearly rejects monolithic conceptions of
nationhood. However it advocates that the nation be united
politically without compromising its cultural diversity through
some Western Nation-state means - through the promotion of a
Natiobal language common to all Indians. This language of unity
they advocate is Sanskrit (or Hindi in DevNagri script). It is
however not just Hindu Nationalists who have advocated this
stand but also Dalit leaders like Dr.Ambedkar, Iyyan Kali and social reformers like Narayan Guru have advocated the same strategy for creating social harmony in India.

As far as RSS methodology of creating an 'other'.
For anyone who cares to test the data of RSS writings on Islamic
religion and society one finds a repeated theme - that Indian Islam is as Indian as any Indic religion. It is RSS that has always
highlighted the alternate heritage of Indian Islam. This has been
acknowledged by the great South Indian Muslim scholar Mumtaz Ali who entered into a dialogue with RSS after Gujarat riots. In the
words of an RSS ideologue,"They have a pan-Indian vision and
contrary to perception, are not working towards making Muslims and Christians poor or Hindus rich. The photographs of Abdul Kalam and Haniffuddin can be seen along with those of Guru Gobind Singh, Shivaji, Lachhit Borfukan, Birsa and Gandhi at any RSS office these days..... The RSS is not the issue. The issue is the country s culture, conduct and perspective. In other words, Indianism, which is what Hindutva is. This does not mean that Muslims should convert to Hinduism or Christians should
go to temples. What it does mean is that you can be what you like but share the same vision of Dr Abdul Kalam and the martyr Haniffuddin. This vision is the driving force behind the RSS." (Tarun Vijay,The Pioneer,March 12, 2000)
I scarcely remember Nazis glorifying Jewish heros of Germany in their Party office. Or perhaps as a 'practicing' scientist you would be able to explain how the RSS emphasis on the alternate Islamic heritage in India is actually an advanced Nazi methodolgy at work. Anyway we who are the admirers of that 'lowlife' Veer Savarkar and we who are too infantile for any philosophy
making are at a loss to discover any Nazi plot here. But not you!
Here is a typical stereotyping peddled by Marxists on the eve of Presdential elections in India,"One of the pamphlets that the CPI-M (Communist Party of India -Marxist) local leaders released on Monday quotes from RSS publication Panchajanya:
"Indianism is Hindutva. This does not mean that Muslims should convert to Hinduism or Christians should go to temples.
What it does mean is that you can be what you like, but share the same vision of Abdul Kalam.(A vision of a developed India by 2020). This vision is the driving force behind the RSS." "If the RSS says that their driving force is Kalam, then there is reason to believe that he is not be the right choice as the President of India," the pamphlet added. [Reporter:George Iype in Kochi Publication:June 18, 2002]
So we have here a situation where RSS is attacked by pseudo-secularists because it breaks the stereotyped image of itself marketed by leftists and pseudo-secularists.So we have here a situation where RSS is attacked by pseudo-secularists because it reached out to Muslims and Christians not to convert them but to retain their religious identities but at the same time work for the development of India. Whom our pseudo-secularists want Indian Muslims to see as their rolemodel then? Osama minded fundamentalists, of course. And they want also an alienation fuelled by fear psychosis so that Muslims of India remain a monolith votebank.Nothing makes it clear than the Vandemataram episode. Right on the web we have Allah Rakha
Rahman (A.R.Rahman) 's website which proclaims VandeMataram as a National Mantra. Then India is blessed to have Ustad Bismilla Khan who declared that he did not leave for Pakistan because Kasi (Benaras) because he could not leave the Mandir and Mother Ganga. Then of course we have Ali Mian a fundamentalist who sees Osama as 'a man of character',
who thinks Kashmiri child butchering Jehadis are 'freedom fighters' and that Israel is 'Shaitan incarnate'. Of these whom does our leftist pseudo-secularists oblige in the
issue of VandeMataram. No rewards for guessing correctly but then I am quite sure any day the comments of our 'practicing' scientist onboard Amit Misra makes on Vande Mataram will
be closer in wavelength to fundamentalist Ali Mian than to A.R.Rehman or Ustad Bismillah Kahn or our beloved president (and Amit Misra's pet hate object) Dr.APJ Abdul Kalam.
Falsify me Mr.Mitra and that shall be my greatest delight and you too then shall cease to adhere to an abiding feature of pseudo-secularism.


And Now on to Veer Savarkar:

1. Yes Veer Savarkar wrote not one but three clemency petitions and he did lie in them that he would be faithful to the
British empire. And as his subsequent activities clearly show (as revealed by none other than Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose in his radio broadcast on June 25, 1944, of Veer Savarkar's
'heartening role' in Netaji's INA struggle) he lied to the British authorities and always used every opportunity to futher the cause of Indian independence and unity.
So Veer Savarkar's lying did contribute more towards India's independence than he could have had he chosento die a pathetic death in the cellular jails of Andamans. However as Mr.Amit Misra rightly points out Veer Savarkar ('that lowlife Savarkar' that is ) lied and Fascists lie. And in the cauldron that is the brain of our 'practicing' scienti as postmodernist methodology boils in with fury of faslification, the scientific conclusion then becomes unavoidable. "Veer Savarkar is a fascist!"
Oh! The secularist Magic potion is ready to expose the Hindu Fascists. Only our pathetic p-secularist is no Gaulish villager nor does he have a getafix by his side. But then I guess our 'practicing' scientist fell into the cauldron when he was a baby.

How I wish the 'practicing' scientist onboard who despises
'career scientists' like Dr.APJ Abdul Kalam would have dipped deeper into the archives of history and established yet another Fascist connection via another Italian who did the same.
On June 21, 1633 CE, in the longest day of the year, a particular Italian gentleman knelt before the authorities and declared "I abjure curse and detest my past errors."
He did not bravely face the burning at stake like some of the real scientists but that lying Italian kept indulging in activities that would well go against what he openly
declared before the authorities. He lied! And fascists lie. So the conclusion is unavoidable once again. Galileo Galilei the father of all fascists according to the reasoning of Amit Misra - the great Indian 'practicing' scientist of Nehruvian breed!
(A fascist long before industrial revolution! what a postmodern discovery it ought to make! Congratulations Mr.'practicing' scientist!) Well, Infantile admirers of "that low life Veer Savarkar" that we are, but we know that there is much more history to India than the Party lines Lysenkos of Indian history Romilla, Ram Punyani etal peddle as history. Don't be a pond frog pinko!

2. I would very much like to give the exact references as to Veer Savarkar -Dr Ambedkar dialogues. But unfortunately they form a part of an article I am writing to be published soon. Once it is published I shall give you the weblink.


And Mr.Amit Misra one last word, You need not worry about the soft tissues of our digits. We Sudras have them as tough as they come for we are used to working in the paddy fields
from dawn to dusk...and I have done that personally myself.

S.Aravindan Neelakandan

Amit Misra

Hinduthvaite,
Sorry I'm reneging on my promise to let you have the last word just yet, but your post evidently wants me to keep coming back for more text from you.
Good. Maybe the time you spend venting your spleen on me and my tribe will help to keep your threatened article on Ambedkar and Savarkar off the net for a little longer!
One Folk - One Language
Gandhi & Co. used to talk about Hindustani to be used to fulfil the function you refer to. HInduttva Hordes prefer Sanskritized Hindi, garbled beyond recognition of the people of the Hindi belt. Harmony is not homogeniety. The RSS-types are using the Hitlerian trick of saying one thing in politically-correct and universally-acceptable words while pursuing the notorious "hidden agenda" of ein volk, etc translated as "Hindi-Hindu-Hindustan."
Indic Islam
I read a book called "Indian Muslims" some years ago by Prof. Mohammad Mujeeb, one of the founder-members of that den of inquity, the Jamia Millia Islamia. There were references to Bengali muslims who went to the forest and propitiated trees in a sort of throwback ritual of their animist ancestors. There were other references to strange practices that the bearded weirdos of Deoband and wherever would have fits about. So? The practice of Islam in various parts of India (and the rest of the world) is accompanied by different sets of practices that are probably not common to Arabian Islam. This is in continuation of my reply to Sarpedon about fitting practitioners of various religions into water-tight rice kettles.
My point is: why is it important to the RSS that a muslim in India follows one set of religious practices and abjures another? Why can't, for example, a muslim kill a cow as an eid sacrifice if he buys it with good money (though I understand Abraham tried to murder his kid and ended up killing a sheep)? BTW, do you eat beef? I do!
Photographs of Tom, Dick and Harry
Big deal! Every other police-station (station house to our US friends?) in the country has a photograph of Gandhi, Nehru, etc. Were the policemen who colluded in the Gujarat pogrom of 2002 Gandhians or Nehruvians? I've said it before, you can wear all the sheep's clothing you like, but the fangs still show.
How can the RSS indoctrinaires reconcile Golwalkar-Hedgewar-Savarkar's extreme antipathy for Gandhi with the alleged honor they bestow upon the man by putting up his photograph in their offices?
I've already bad-mouthed APJ, though he's not my pet hate object. That particular slot is reserved for mosquitoes-- the beasts have even invaded the lab. They buzz around my hand when I'm pipetting. They refuse to die even in ambient temperatures of 15 degrees centigrade...
To come back-- "Ignited minds?" Ignited behinds would be more appropriate.
Hanifuddin I don't know at all.

A vision of a developed India by 2020
Patrick, in another thread another forum, told me that I was utopian and naive if I expected cooperation to be the primary relation b/w humans. Kalam is not even that. He is evidently under the impresion that India can muscle its way to development. His emphasis on dreaming is touching, but then dreams are cheap. We have had several of these dreams in our country. " Health for all by 2000 AD" said Rajeev Gandhi, echoing the Alma Ata conference resolution. "Eradicate Polio" said Amitabh Bacchan on TV the other day. The National Literacy Mission; The New Millenium Initiative on Technology Leadership in India... you name it, we have it.
It is very much in keeping with the infantility of the Hindu Nationalists to have dreams of high-tech fixes for socio-economic problems. Hitler's answer to post-Versailles (did I spell that right?)Germany's economic crisis was not agrarian reform-- it was investment in armament. APJ seems to have played into their hands on account of his limited understanding. He should have talked to me before he said yes to the candidacy:-)
Vande Mataram
I liked the old Lata Mangeshkar tune much better (more than the movie-walla tune with the military beat) than Rahman's. However, as a practising atheist, I will not bow to the idol of Bharat Mata! You may continue to do so, if you wish, but then you're compromising atheism-- worshipping false gods!
Nationalism is a negative thing. I prefer internationalists (not Capital Globalizers).
Falsify me!
Crucify me, friend, but I can't falsify you-- you're not a hypothesis. You are flesh of my flesh and blood of my blood. (Reminds me of Bangaru Laxman and the Muslims).
Galileo, Thapar, et al
Galileo was not a revolutionary. He was a practising scientist (and an astute businessman). He was lying to save his skin. An admirable idea, specially when confronted by religious fundamentalists. Savarkar the cowardly was also lying to save his skin, but then he gave up the claim to being called "the brave" when he lied to save his skin.
Subhas Bose, unfortunately, I'm not very comfortable with. Same reason-- consorting with a deadlier enemy than the colonizer.
Thapar is a practising historian, but she doesn't seem to be lying in her academic output. Unlike some Hinduttva historians (STOP. Lets avoid the Ayodhya controversy for now, shall we?).

Soft tissue
You have my respect for having worked from "dawn to dusk." All I can do is about 4 hours at a stretch, now and then...
Pound away at those keys, Aravindan! (I'm sure you'll keep away now: these RSS-types are so contrary, they never do what you ask them to! ;-)

hinduwoman

Quote:____________________________________________ _________Leaving my personal opinion out of this, other people whom you might like to call secular-ists do not demonstrate any logical inconsistency in opening several fronts to counteract the thousand tongues that Hinduttvites speak in.
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Good! An admission that secularists have no conviction of what secualrism is and shifts their arguments whenever convinent.


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Would you, or preferably male Hinduttvites, like to adopt some of the less visible but more drastic eblems of the Islamic faith to promote the cause of "integration"? ;-)
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I will wear the burqha then. However in that case, I hope you would fully support Hindu organizations if they would call me a traitor to my community and demand I do penance before I am allowed to enter a temple, instead of calling them communal, just as you seem to have no problem with supporting Muslims who do this to their members?

Quote: __________________________________________________ ___I do not care a tinker's cuss whether or not my fellow-citizen bows to the motherland or not.
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Then why did you give a rinaglamore about how Muslims do not sing it because it is too complex and Hindus do not know it either? Is this response because you cannot counter the fact that Muslims do not sing it because it is antiislamic?

Quote: __________________________________________________ ____What business is it of yours? Why should a community with a history suddenly re-invent itself just because you don't like some of the things that they do?
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Indeed, what business is it anyone's to ask Hindus to give up caste, suttee and polygamy just because some liberals think they are not nice? It was intolerable govt. interference in the religious life of the people.
For myself I would feel safer knowing that they have discarded that portion of their religion which exhorts them to physical violence against non-Muslims --- but no doubt wanting security is a hangover from Imperialist legacy.
Champions of monirytism do the minoritys worst harm when they insist that they remain forever the 'Other' and an easily identifiable target.

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If this is a mjoritarian argument, the comparison in unclear. Hindus are not living in a communist country and so there is no need for them to pick up Bolshevik habits, whatever they are. Also I would like to know where Bolsheviks are in a majority today.

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__________________________________________________ __Our dear APJ, another media creation much like the venerable AB Vajpayee, is acceptable to the RSS, not because he is a rocket engineer, but because he is a vegetarian? Do you get the drift of the utter kookiness that the RSS engenders
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Strawman argument. He is appreciated because he cares more about India's security than what international opinion thinks. He is also appreciated because he loves India's Hindu heritage instead of thinking it to be a product of darkest superstition that shall be put right when Islam conquers India or light of communism envelops it.

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__________________________________________________ __-BTW, I don't like the man at all. He is the personification of the carreer scientist who pursues exactly what he knows what to do, hiding behind the value-neutrality of science
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Have you stopped beating your wife yet?

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Of course you don't. Has not a number of muslim intellectuals already declared that he is not a 'true' muslim, because he says he is a Ram-bhakt in addition to being a muslim? You would have liked him if he had explained that he thinks the Gita is inferior to Koran and how the Hindus are always oppressing the Muslims who have no responsibility towards other communities.

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Bingo! As soon as you begin to see the superficial, I recommend that you dig deeper….
I simply can't be bothered to quote from Shirer's 1000-odd pages of documentation of the Hitler era. Read it, and then attend the bauddhiks or shakhas, or wherever you like to hang out with the RSS types
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So? It is still upto you to point out through primary sources why the two wants the same results, and everything is the same. Why shall I be the one doing the work when you should be backing up your claims?

hinduwoman

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It is the strategy of browbeating the opposition by vituperation, the repitition of untruths, the imputation of motives, the privileging of an imagined history, the targeting of societal "others" and the lust for political power that ties RSS to Hitler.
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Funny, that is what is frequently said about secular fundamentalists.


I hope saying "worshipping false gods" is just a metaphorical way of saying things, and not a sign how deeply you have imbibned the Abrahamic religions.

Hinduthvaite

Mr. Amit Misra,

What a dilemma! If I decide not to reply then I fit your expectaton and if I deceide to reply then again I would fit your expectation of 'Oh this RSS wala really does things contrary to my expectation'. Russel would have smiled in his grave.Anyway I chose to reply and here we go.

Veer Savarkar
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You call Veer Savarkar coward because he wrote clemency petitions. If he had followed every word he had written in the clemency petition then what you said would have been true. Was he loyal to British? No. Did he indulge in 'subversive' activities viz. Bose's INA ? Yes.Did Galileo reject his own discoveries in public? Yes. Did he discontinue his pursuits in astronomy based on heliocentric theory he rejected in public? No. Did he continue with his pursuit ? Yes. But there were astronomers who
did burn at stake than reject in public their discoveries. So is Galileo in anyway inferior to them in terms of honesty and integrity? What if one is a revolutionary and another is a scientist! As a character in Foundation (Was it Salvor Hardin) said, "Let not your sense of morals come in the way of doing
what is right." And as for as Netaji Bose, I donot care a paise how you certify Bose. The point is not what Netaji Bose did in seeking Japanese help for creating INA is right or wrong. The point is even after his clemency petitions Veer Savarkar was involved in 'subversive activities' against the British. This
proves that signing a clemency petition was only part of a tactics and worldwide many revolutionaries have indulged in such temporary submissions. I repeat again. Here the question is not whether what Netaji Bose or Veer Savarkar did is right or wrong but the FACT that Veer Savarkar was no coward who renounced his independence struggle rather his one concern was to win (not bargain and get) the freedom for India.

What is wrong in Muslim killing a cow?
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Well Misra. I am a Hindu and I venerate cow as a symbol of my culture's veneration towards all life. I know many castes where eating a cow is no taboo. And other Hindus have never interfered with their customs. But enough historical records exist that show that Muslims killed cows because Hindus venerate it. After destroying Hindu temples cows used to be butchered in masses in what used to be the sanctum sanctorum of the Hindu temples by Muslims just to make Hindus feel humiliated according to Muslim historians. So unlike in any other Muslim country if they indulge in a public display of the same arrogance by killing cows...Well let us take a hypothetical situation. We have a village
deity called Sudalai Bhairav and he loves pig meat. MMMM...Is anything wrong if we are to decide to have a temple for him in the friendly neighbourhood of Muslims just adjacent to a Mosque and then buy pigs very legally and then sacrifice these pigs on Fridays (auspcious to Sudalai Bhairav) just as our Muslim brothers assemble for their Namaz and have a galla distribution amidst ourselves. (Is sharing pork with our brothers a good idea well that is optional anyway)Guess what would happen? And guess who would be blamed for the riots. (Any way I assure you our
Sudalai Bhairav who has Dalit priest is far more civilized than you-know-who in that he does not require us to spread belief in him as the only true faith. Nor does he promise virgins and deer eyed teenage boys in wine filled heaven for suicide bombers who crash planes into towers.)

What is wrong if Muslims choose one form of worship over...
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Nothing. Except that the socalled animist beliefs are no primitive beliefs as you would like us to believe. Many Muslim Bengali poets used to sing songs of honouring Ganga as mother. Sister Nivedita
(Margaret Noble) records in her 'Web of Indian Life' that the first song a Bengali child learns in honor of Ganga was written by a Muslim poet. These are no relapses into animism. Rather they are manifestations of the rootedness of people. Their sphere of sacred being attached to the soil is far better than the
heavenly father or an equally outlandish dialetical materialism which is as nonsensical as the will of God. It is this rootedness which Wahabi Islam destroyed many times it did that violently and mercilessly. And the uprooted people of South Asia became cannon fodder for the Arab Suparamacist expansionism.
Calling Earth or the nation a mother and having a sense of sacredness towards Earth is worshiping 'false Gods' ! Hey ! I thought you were a practicing scientist but it seems you are a freaking Yahewah's Witness or what ?

More to come...

Amit Misra

waiting for more. (Boy! am I glutton for punishment), but can't resist the pork idea.
Why don't we do it?
You as a Hinduttva atheist have more to lose than I as a non-denominational atheist, so I'm still saving my skin. Here's the plan. Let's buy some land near a mosque, say in UP or Gujarat (if there are any left after the Hinduttvites went on rampage;-) ). I'll collect a few thousand rupees from people, without lying about my objectives. I'll say I want to conduct an atheistic experimet on religion. I'll also put in Rs. 5000 from my own funds into the kitty, and you do the same. We'll apply for permission from the district administration to make a shrine to Sudalai Bhairav, without disclosing all details of the prasadam but emphasizing that it will have a Dalit preist.
Then, with the major objective of subverting religion, lets have a proper Papua-New Guinea style pig feast....
BTW, don't fudge about to much with Savarkar the Slime. He lied.

Hinduthvaite

Why shouldn't we disclose the Pork prasad buddy? A secular administartion should allow a leagl transaction right? Further Veer Savarkar lied and so what? Your charge was originally that he was a coward because he saved his skin by signing clemency petition. But after empirical data has been put forward to show that he DID indulge in subversive activities against the British had you been an honest person you would have acknowledged you were factually wrong on Veer Savarkar. But you go onbad mouthing Veer Savarkar with no reason (or for obvious postmodern reason - and that is an oxymoron) . And when I showthe example of Galileo you go on blabbering about Veer Savarkar being a non-scientist and Galileo a scientist as to why the comparison would not be right. Thank goodness you didnot tell Galileo had a beard and Veer Savarkar was well shaven as another ground on which comparison could not be made.
I have nothing to use should such an experiment be done. After all Hindu nationalist organizations have already more than a few hundred pan-Hindu temples even in the secularist killing fields of Bihar where Dalits are the priests. However I inisist we tell both the administartion and our friendly neighbourhood Mohameedans that our temple prasad would be ceremonial killings of pigs - particularly on Friday.

S.Aravindan Neelakandan

Amit Misra

I bad-mouth Savarkar (and his cronies) for seeking undeserved glory.
Consider this. I lie. I try to save my skin. I propose social experiments aimed at subverting religion. But I am no revolutionary. I don't ask for followers. I don't pronounce judgments on social groups (constructs of convenience). I don't seek political power-- I challenge it.
I am not prissily honest, but I don't see that "empirical data" on Savarkar's subversive activities leads to the conclusion that he was not lying when begging for mercy. The way I see it, the fact that he was begging for mercy with one of his forked tongues and inciting the proto-Godses to hate muslims and Gandhi with the other merely reinforces my contention that he was lying. A Kurosawa might have dealt with his duplicity with greater sympathy, but I just see him as a liar first.
Galileo was lying to save his skin. But we don't call him Galilieo the Brave. If anything, we call him Galileo the (practising!) pragmatist.The differences do not lie in relative lengths of facial hair: they reside in the distinct objectives the two were pursuing. Galileo wanted to sell his telescopes (the ones he had probably plagiarized off the Arabs). Savarkar wanted to empower an exclusivist, fascist ideology.

The pork experiment, now that I think about it, would put me up a far more uncomfortable tree than it would you. You would be conducting the experiment to demonstrate that Muslims would riot if pigs were killed. I would be conducting the experiment to see how practititioners of Islam and Hinduttva would respond to a situation of engineered conflict. I'd also search for sub-texts, such as whether the Hinduttvites would be true to their contradictions (!!) in happily slaughtering one dumb animal (the pig) while lynching other people who are suspected to have slaughtered another (the cow). After you have engineered the riot at the Bhairav temple, the police will come and catch both of us (or maybe just me). My defence would be that I was trying to promote harmony b/w the worshippers of Bhairav and Allah by making each more familiar with the other's practices. For this, I shall probably be sentenced to death under POTA!
Your (proud?) defence would be that you were merely privileging the devotees of Sudali Bhairav, a Hindu deity, and you are not to blame for the consequences. Given the pervasion of your kind of thinking in the institutions of India, you would be let off with a commendation.
The fact remains that I would be identified as the one who started this.
Yipes. Call it off! Let us just both get together the next time you're in Lucknow or I am at Nagercoil, or at some mutually-convenient location, and have a stew made from beef, pork, etc., etc., everything except shell-fish. I have a shell-fish allergy and break out in hives and puke if I eat even a small bit. The treat is on me, but I'll need help with the cooking!
Cheers
Amit

Amit Misra

sorry, missed out on my reasons for proposing non-disclosure of prasad. i'd thought we should worm out a permission from the administration to save our skins. wasn't thinking that the administration is in your pocket already. they'd grant you permission for anything...
but the experiment is OFF, please. and forgive me, i beg for clemency and shall not repeat such subversive activities against the hinduttva state ever in future
--Amit the Coward.