River

Not another secular humanist link....

River

Well, anyways if you want a semi-decent Code 19 link


http://fakir60.tripod.com/


(however, they do sometimes resort to numerology -like styles, which could get annoying and doesnt always advance their arguments)

If you analyse all code 19 arguments you will realize that the Qur'anic author could not have been human . How could a human work with systems of multiples of 19 , without a Computer in the middle ages?

River

Bob K

River:

Bob K:River:The point of these websites is the truth they show--that Islam is basically crap like all other religions.

Try reading these sites and offering disputes of their claims instead of all this nonsense about statistics based upon word matches and counts.

Better, you ought to understand the psychology of religious conversion and how you have fallen into its trap.

All people who practice Middle-Eastern religions--Judaism/Xnity/Islam--basically try to convince you that you are a piece of crap and that you can only be saved/helped by believing that you are a piece of crap in need of being saved from your sins/helped to not remain a sinner and that their religion is the only true religion from which you can be saved/helped.

If you are weak then you will be persuaded that you are truly a piece of crap and that you need the help of someone/thing outside yourself; but if you are strong then you will find within yourself the conviction that you are definitely not a piece of crap and that you do not need nonsense such as that thrown out by religionists.

Soren Kierkegaard showed the psychology of religious conversion by the �leap of faith� weak people make when they allow someone else to convince them that they are pieces of crap in need of help that can only be found from a particular religion and they are not able to defend themselves from the theology and the deceptions of the particular religion and therefore they make a leap of faith to accept the religious BS without logical thought.

Thus, once you accept someone else�s BS then you are no longer able to think on your own and you weaken your ability to think logically/realistically, particularly, to demand proof of assertions of theology--real proof, such as physical evidence of the existence of gods by the gods themselves.

None of the non-logical statistical crap you are freely tossing around will serve us better than the gods themselves--the only proof which is acceptable.

So, instead of showing us statistical nonsense show us the gods!!!

If you cannot show us the gods, then any other �proof� of the existence of gods is nonsense and therefore non-proof.

Kat_Somm_Faen

Not another Islamist link!

Come on, man, what is with the non-answers?

Meybe I shold use your type of argument to refute your claims? Bah, nothing coming from a Muslim can be true? Would you concede that is a valid argument? If not, why do you use it?

http://whatsthisthen.netfirms.com/mu...vingislam.html

To quote the article linked above - "..... just a little reaction to the muslim propaganda that 'Islam is the fastest growing religion' and 'More and more people are converting to Islam'"

Read up a bit from Islamists themselves...

And BTW thi is not a link as such having any info on it, its just a collection of other links...

And also, I am just readin something about Iron and the Quran... I mean Iron being the 26th word in some Surah and in the Periodic table proves what again? These are nothing but mere conjecture and picking and choosing what is proof and what is not. Quote for an article -


"If this compared with the positioning of the verse above and the number of the Surah, it is obvious that there is a special match between the number of the Surah and the atomic weight of iron as well as the number of the Ayah that iron is mentioned in and the number of the element iron. And because the first verse of every Surah is "bismillah hirrahmaan nirraheem", "in the name of Allah most gracious, most merciful" and is not counted as an independent verse, it can be added. The word iron is then in verse 26 of the Surah 57."

Sya whaaaaa? And nothing to say of picking and choosing what is counted as one word namely "
"bismillah hirrahmaan nirraheem" ... and is not counted as an independent verse, it can be added.

Verily this is not how "science" is done! This is more like alchemy...

River

this similarity couldnt have been by chance....read this article and you will be convinced (if G-d wills)

http://fakir60.tripod.com/jesus.htm

River

this similarity couldnt have been by chance....read this article and you will be convinced (if G-d wills)

http://fakir60.tripod.com/jesus.htm

River

I sense alot of repressed anger....

River

Well, I think the proper word should be " Islamic " not " Islamist". The word " Islamist" doesnt exist but is sometimes used as a Euphemism for political Islam.

Well anyways.......the expression " bismillah hirrahmaan nirraheem" translates to " In the name of the Lord"....it is not a verse and shouldnt be counted as such. If you count that expression as a verse , you should count the word " AMEN" as a verse too.

Kat_Somm_Faen

Are we to be spared of any further non-answers?

I franky apologise for the label "islamist" and please forgive me... I should have used Islamic. Now, could you answer a question?

What does number 19 signify? Why? What about the ease with which we can attribute "code 19" to all sorts of writings, words and texts regardless of origin or purpose? Why is that the case?