GeoTheo

Hey Bubba,
I am still molding my position. I am reading trough Genesis trying to see what truth is trying to be communicated there. If its allegorical, then there is still a meaning there, just not necessarily a literal one.
I was often frustrated as a literalist when other Christians would kind of gloss over it or explain it in just a few words. I think the Bible is very economical in its wording generally. If the the first four chapters of Genesis could be summed up in " Well, ultimately God is our creator and man is a sinner...." I think it would be alot shorter.
I plan to read some other creation myths and fables and things like that to get a feel for the genre. I think there can be propositional truth there even if it is not an historical narrative.
I also feel that as I fine tune my belief I will still find myself at odds with evolutionists with a purely materialistic view of the Universe.
Ultimately I am still a creationist who looks at evolution as a means of creation.
I am just looking at a creation in a model that fits the evidence for descent with modification.
There very well be no actual evidence of devine intervention within the development the natural world. But We have an independant source of knowledge that tells us there was. Accepting that is a matter of faith and not empiricism.

Albion

Geo, it looks as though you're on the front end of a very interesting and rewarding enterpise. I hope it's ultimately satisfying as well. Enjoy the ride!

Bubba

Geo, I feel 100% the same way that you do.

But I do feel that evolution actually solves several theological problems. I have a real problem with some forms of biblical literalism, especially dispensationalism and young earth creationism.

Glad to read your posts...

Bubba

GeoTheo

Thanks Albion and Bubba! I always like your contributions also. This place makes you think.
I will have to look at dispensationalism also now that you mention it.

NeilUnreal

If I might be allowed to paraphrase what Jesus said of St.Bart.: "Behold a true Baptist, in whom there is no guile." Principles unfortunately discarded by many modern Baptists.

-Neil Unreal, Mutant Baptist

Bubba

Excellent point, Neal...

Bubba

MrDarwin

GeoTheo, if I understand correctly, you started out as a YEC, then after arguing with some people here you became an OEC, then left and hung out with YECs and became a YEC again, and now you're back and we've talked you into being an "evolutionist". Does that sum it up?

It seems that your beliefs depend very much on who you hang out with and talk to, and don't really stick. So I'm wondering, how likely are they to stick this time around?

GeoTheo

Mission, If you choose to accept it:
Prove you are not a spineless weasel.
I will if you first prove that you are not just a prick who has nothing nice to say of anyone.

scigirl

Now you are just being nasty. I found nothing in MrDarwin's post to warrant calling him a "prick" - and in fact, I think it's a legitimate question. I personally don't care if we go out and 'convert' everyone to believing evolution inasmuch as I just want people to learn about science, and to think for themselves. If Mr Darwin's assessment pissed you off, maybe you should ask yourself "why"?

scigirl

GeoTheo

Well,
let me look further into that. You pissed me off.
I am not a perfect Christian, I admit. I kind of miss the simplicity of being a non-Christian and being able to take someone outside and prove who is the better men in a physical fight. I am willing to do that when people insult me, for some reason. Call it a character flaw.
I like to argue a lot. Perhaps that is a character flaw as well. But I think it is more than that.
It is how I learn. I often state what I only suspect to be true as a strong statement and see if it can be shot down in an arguement. If it can be only attacked with strawmen arguements I believe it may have a chance of being true. I admit it is not a perfect system. I argue with everybody. In Bible college I debated points of Theology. I eventually left because I concluded that there was much wrong with the set up of the school. I was perhaps too critical. To learn in an academic setting you have to in some sense submit.
I find that I learn better on my own through arguing.
I like to win arguements. If I find that I am arguing somthing that is not true, then I am willing to change my opinion. What is the point of
deluding your self?
So I would say NO. My opinions and beliefs do not blow with the wind.
And If you think that I know will defer to the general opinions of most of the Atheists on this website in all areas of life as I spend time here you are mistaken. I spend time here to argue. I am too arguementative for Christian websites and often get banned.
This thread is perhaps a bit too touchy feeley for your taste MR. Darwin, but I assure you I have plenty more to argue about on this topic.