Yellum Notnef

Go find it myself?
You didn't even tell us the guys name or ANY other details at all about the case.
What do you suggest I put in the search engine, "Stupid Christian bullshit"?

Yet again you make wild claims and then a mad dash for your escape hatch as soon as you see the lack of awe and wonderment on our faces.

The rest of your post was just more deflection tactics.

Magus55

As if atheists don't constantly do that to Christians? Basically saying we are stupid, delusional, and gullible because we don't believe the same thing you do? Try giving up the sarcastic remarks to us before making those kind of statements.

Yellum Notnef

Go tell it on the mountain,Magus.

There is ample evidence to suggest that Christians are all those things,but you're not receiving sarcastic remarks because of what you may or may not believe. You are receiving them because you are here pushing your beliefs on the rest of us.

Did I go to a Christian website and start laying into you about what I believe? No.

Think about where you are.

Dr Rick

Try posting something rational.

Rick

hezekiah jones

Originally posted by Magus55
... we don't believe the same thing you do ...

Believing is not the same thing as not believing. The former (believing) is "believing," while the latter (not believing) is "not believing." How many times does this need to be explained?

Magus55

Its the same thing. You believe there is no God, its the same as saying you don't believe there is a God. You may have made subtle distinctions in the atheistic world, but to non atheists its the exact same thing.

But like iv'e said, God doesn't believe in atheists so you won't be able to use that excuse forever. I wonder whose lack of belief carries more weight

Yellum Notnef

Since your God does not exist,I`m putting my money on hezekiah jones.

hezekiah jones

Originally posted by Magus55
Its the same thing.

Belief and non-belief (i.e. lack of belief) are the same thing?
Where - on Planet Christian?

Fiach

Magus, can't you see the incoherence of stating that belief is the same as non-belief. Belief is having an opinion on something. Non-belief is not having an opinion or not accepting some opinion. Atheism is so simple. It is lacking a belief in God. It is not an affirmative statement of believe in anything. I fail to see how there is confusion here.

Not gambling is not a type of gambling.

Abstinence is not a form of sexual intercourse.

Sanity is not a form of mental illness.

I would personally add, my opinion only, that Atheism is further undefinable apart from absense of belief in gods, because gods are not defined.

There are multiple different kinds of god believed in by different people. Some are singular, some are multiple, and one or more are trinitarian. Some are humanoid, others are universal, and some are totally undefinable. The Christian Trinity is only one (three) of 10,000 historical gods envisioned in man's brain.

It is possible to belief in one as you do, or in another as do Pantheists. We Atheists are just folks who find the absense of evidence so problematical that we do not believe in any of the named gods. Our non-belief has no dogma, it is just the absense of belief. It has no world view except the world is as it appears to be, but that is not even a requirement. An Atheist can have a worldview that it is all yellow, or that it is cubical not a sphere. He would likely be daft, but he could still be an Atheist.

That is long and rambling. But did I get my point. I am an Atheist. No body can disprove or prove that I don't believe. There is no Atheism Text Book because it would only be one sentence, "Atheists lack a belief in God...."

There books about the history of Atheism back to Ancient Greece, and refutations of theistic dogma but that is not describing Atheism. It is only criticism of Theism, which has defined beliefs.

Fiach

Radorth

I'd try NDE or "near death experiences," which will get you all kinds of sites, and if you dare "Atheist NDE experiences."

See you in a week after you've read all the links. Fenton if I thought there was the slightest hope you'd read them and not reject them out of hand, I'd give you the links. You're just using this as an excuse for another personal attack and I've learned not to waste my time chasing down all the stuff you demand.

Rad