abe smith

That's why All That baloney is junk! My short paper deals w/ this. Abe

Magus55

All what baloney is junk? Jesus being God and human at the same time? Assuming God does exist, do you really think its that hard to create a human without a biological father?

scombrid

The world's only know case of mamalian parthenogenesis.

Ever heard of Jesus H. Christ.

Guess what the H stands for.

BioBeing

If you don't want to post it (or a summary perhaps?) here, could you email it to me through my profile? I'd rather not snail mail (all that giving out my real address on the internet stuff).

BioBeing

I know - its all just a hypothetical

Except, maybe, if one of the nails from the cross existed, or that spear or the crown of thorns... Would a normal karyotype thus indicate that he was truly a human...

But then you'd have to prove that it was a nail/spear/crown from Jesus, and not one of the robbers next to him or someone else....

Maybe if James really was his brother, and some DNA could be gotten from that ossuary.... there should be some match, if they shared a biologial mother.

BioBeing

Haploid

Rhea

Simple biology shows how a being can be born of the single DNA of it's parent. However, if this happens, the offspring is guaranteed to be the same gender as the parent.

There was a link to elementary biology posted recently - check it out. This is not uncommon in nature - you know? Well maybe you don't. But you can learn!

Magus55

Care to prove that claim? How can you possibly create a zygote from one gamete? The baby would be miscarried with only 23 pairs of Chromosomes. Thats basic biology. A human can't survive with only 23 Chromosome pairs, they can have 45 or 47 ( which leads to genetic disorders), but can't have 23.

scombrid

Lesbian Lizards

Parthenogenesis does happen. I don't think that it's been documented in any primates but it has been demonstrated as happening in higher vertebrates. In that species of lizard linked above, no males exist. All offspring are copies of their mamma. The egg is actually diploid. After meiosis one of the polar bodies fertilzes the egg instead of being resorbed.

Oddly enough, in some birds, snakes, and lizards the females are ZW and the males ZZ. Parthenogenesis can result in ZZ, ZW, or WW combos. WWs are inviable and ZZs end up male offspring of females that have never mated. Since humans have an XY sex determination system, a female could only produce another female without fertilization.

Of course in hymenopterans, unfertilized 1N eggs are viable and produce males. This leaves open the possibility of haploidy.

Magus55

We are talking about humans here, not reptiles. A human can not survive with 23 Chromosomes, and iv'e never heard of any case in human history where the mothers DNA copied itself twice, with no father DNA. A human egg can not create a human by itself.