Talulah

Note about apples.

I think it was Milton who said it was an apple.

The actual fruit is mentioned nowhere in the bible.

Viti

I believe it is also a sin to wear clothes made of blended fabrics. My goodness Falcon, are you wearing cotton and polyester??

Atticus_Finch

I disagree. I agree that the one who makes a positive statement has the burden of proof. I accept that willingly. However, a negative statement also takes on the burden of proof if you want to put it into the category of "fact". In effect, the statement "Adam and Eve never existed at all" is a positive statement which takes on the burden of proof. If one says, "I find insufficient evidence to convince me that Adam and Eve existed", that is different from asserting as a fact that they never existed.

Regards,

Finch

diana

I just posted the more common sins, though I should have said adultery and homosexual acts.

And don't crap within the camp, and don't touch a woman on the rag, and you're unclean if you have nocturnal emissions, and disrespectful children should be stoned.... Please don't stop with the adultery and homosexual acts prohibition. There's O so much more.

And yes, even the infants. Think of sin as a gene. Since Adam and Eve sinned by disobeying God, they have passed down a 'sin gene' through all the lines of humanity. Jesus was the only one who did not sin because His Father is God.

So this gene is clearly transmitted only through the male. Gotcha.

Of course, I forgot to mention earlier that "all have sinned" includes your precious Jesus, who was made flesh, and dwelt among men.

OK. Maybe it doesn't. Maybe he didn't get the "sin gene" as you say. Wouldn't that make his spotless life and sacrifice completely meaningless, then? I'm not terribly impressed by people who can do things that are apparently a genetic gift, as it doesn't require any effort on their parts.

back to infants: HOWEVER, unborn babies, infants and young children do not yet have the capability to know right from wrong so God does not hold them accountable.

So when do they become accountable?

Here is the full Ten Commandments:

Thank you for missing the point entirely. Actually, I had a couple: please address why the 10C is relevant to us today at all. Are you a Xn or are you a Jew? Make up your mind and be consistent, please.

Also, please explain why you selected the particular set of "10" you did and ignored the other two sets.

On the other hand, I'd appreciate it if you'd just reply to my previous post (just tap the quotes icon) and address each point I made. Please provide book, chapter and verse to back up your position. (Don't panic--I'm not asking you to apply sound reasoning just yet; I'm just curious how you support your odd mix of OT and NT beliefs.)

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Anunnaki

Finch sez:
"I disagree. I agree that the one who makes a positive statement has the burden of proof. I accept that willingly. However, a negative statement also takes on the burden of proof if you want to put it into the category of "fact". In effect, the statement "Adam and Eve never existed at all" is a positive statement which takes on the burden of proof. If one says, "I find insufficient evidence to convince me that Adam and Eve existed", that is different from asserting as a fact that they never existed."

OK fine.

I find insufficient evidence to convince me that Adam and Eve existed.
Not only do *I* find insufficient evidence,but the majority of the rational thinking world (including a large percentage of Christians and Jews) are also at a complete loss to find any good evidence to support the Genesis claims.

Are you happy now?

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diana

That's a beautiful analogy, scombrid.

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Talulah

y'know, you can often download a patch off the internet for free

Is this a 'free gift?'

The patch is free but you DO have to download it.

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Fastfalcon

A lot of things in Levictus (sp?) and Deutronomy do not apply to us because Jesus, on that cross abolished the things. The only things that apply to us are the TEN Commandments, and sexual sins. no one knows when children become accountable but i think that it is around the age of 12.

diana

Think of sin as a gene.

Why?

Why don't you think of "sin" as something someone had to convince you you had so he could control you?

I understand the market for underarm deoderant had to convince everybody their natural body smell was bad before they could sell their product.

I see no reason to believe anything your belief system is founded upon. I insist I don't stink, so I don't need to buy the deoderant you're selling.

If you want to make a sell, you have to convince me somehow that what I am naturally (I was born and I will die) isn't the full picture and that those things I find reasonable (evidence and logic) are misleading.

Question the very foundations of your beliefs. Why do you believe in God at all?

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diana

Why do the 10C matter but all the rest of the commandments given by God in the OT don't? And which ten? Why sexual sins? (Why are you so hung up on sexual sins, btw?)

Why 12?

Please supply biblical support for your position.

I'm keen to learn.

d