AJ113

You left the gap. Perhaps you would like to fill it for us. I am assuming of course that you have had lots of historical lossons.

I have not the time nor patience today. You may have to do a little digging for yourself.

Perhaps you misunderstood me. I am asking you to clarify your meaning.

Kenneth

Individual contributions to Life and Liberty? Meaningful Manner? Big Words!

...all I want to say is--CRAP. I am under no illusion that what I do today will affect anyone. I am under no illusion that so-called great men has any effect on their nation.

The Man of Peace--Gandhi--is simply a name in a country torn by religious differences.

The Forefathers of America is simply a long enumeration of names in a country that has so willingly sacrifice freedom in the name of security.

What I do and What Anybody else does will not matter in the end. Death will make sure of that. Human tendency to forget will make sure of that. We will keep on repeating past mistakes. We will.

Life is meaningless. I go out everyday--not to find meaning for this existance--because here I am. That's all that there is to it. I exist--it's not my choice. I could just jump from a building today...and it wouldn't really matter...and besides it is so much work--I'd rather sit here and type away.

So that's how this atheist live his day...and that set me apart from theist. I don't bother finding meaning for this so-called life.

excreationist

I hope you realize that not all atheists are identical. Some atheists love their families - or fiances - or they live alone with their dog and love stamp collecting or something. To be an atheist you just have to lack a belief in gods. That is the only commandment to obey to be in the club.

How can you "realise" something that isn't true?

Well atheists usually don't go to church, since they don't believe in god. Well some like going to Unitarian Universalist churches... and I occasionally go to church since my Mum pressures me a lot... and atheists don't say prayers to any gods... or if they do, their prayers aren't genuine, etc.

Even if every single atheist in the world is immoral, it doesn't prove that God therefore exists. I thought you were good at rational thought.

Weltall

Way to pull completely unsupported assumptions out of your orifice of choice. I have MUCH better things to do with the limited free time in my day than to mock something that doesn't exist. While it is pretty easy to do, I find that the more rabid followers of certain deities mock their religions quite enough that I don't need to lend a hand.

WagesofSin

I feel that Sophie is trying to claim that Athiest are selfish and are heart-less bastards who would never do anything to help anybody else who may be in need.

That's just not the case. When a theist does something selfless, often it's for thier god. When an athiest does something selfless, it's for their ideals & beliefs- god has no sway on them. In my opinion, the athiest has the stronger will.

My 2 cents...


-WoS

Dr Rick

She would not be the first.

Rusting Car Bumper

ditto that.

DC

Abel Stable

DNFTT is right. This question is completely loaded. Essentially it is a provactive "justify your existence" or "justify your worldview" challenge.

Smarmy & pompous non-answers like this:

You need lots of historical lossons to fill that gap. I have not the time nor patience today. You may have to do a little digging for yourself.

make her intentions clear enough.
Huh? Sophie, I have no idea what you mean by "new world order." That expression is so nebulous that it means as much as saying "the vast media conspiracy." I don�t understand why the non-belief in gods entails organizing & establishing one of these �new world orders��whatever they are.


But wait a second, is the question:
"What do atheist individuals contribute to society?"
or
"How will atheists help bring about a new world order?"
?

At best, they're both poorly phrased. So either clarify them (since you're honestly curious) or quit it.

And what does the title "Atheist Haven" have to do with any of this??

sophie

Abel Stable : Mabye what I mean is what can we rely on Atheists to do in this world? To what can we as the general public appeal, when we address Atheists? If we know these answers then the mass appeal when things need to be done can be formed on a broader base. I can appeal to theists using the GOD in them, I can appeal to environmentalists using for the sake of the planet, I can appeal to humanists using for the sake of humanity but to what can I turn to appeal to an Atheist?

Is it just good sense? Logical reasoning? A need to accumulate a gain? Can it be a duty to humankind? Or it simply cannot as yet be generalised?

AJ113

You are seraching for something that does not exist. Athesits simply have no belief in god(s). That is the only common factor.

There is not even even an underlying common reason why atheists have no belief in god(s).