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Old 04-03-2003, 08:13 PM   #31
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The claim that the US news media is nothing more than a propaganda machine for the government has been repeated quite a few times in this forum. For those of you who hold this view, not merely that the US news media is bias, because every news media to some degree is, but that the US news media is doing a horrible job reporting objectively on the news at all�could you please explain why the following stories all appear on the front page of cnn.com:
Because they are all news worthy and had appeared on so many different news channels that to not report it would be glaring. Besides, the question you should be asking is "Why haven't they reported some rather big stories?" and "Why are they reporting it the way they are?"

Well for starters, was it confirmed that CNN broke the story? If not they could well be just second hand reporting an already breaking story. Once a story gets out, be it by Al-Jazeera or Fox News everyone else is obliged to regurgitate it. (Unless it isn't palatable, which I will get to later). And also contrast that CNN article above, with this article I found at the Washington Post:

Eye Witness account

Now you can say that there is no great conspiracy because even that story got out, but why did CNN (easily the biggest U.S. news corp) give us such a bland account when even Fox News used the fuller version? Why is it that almost every article you read seems to imply that rifle fire stopped that van, a 25mm cannon was used, tad over kill if you ask me, (not that anyone will, because noone got that fact).

Because everyone is running off to Al-Jazeera to get "the other view" and if they don't start depicting non U.S. views people will claim they are biased . None of those statements were very inflammatory or accusing, have heard most of them before. But then again, I'm not in America so maybe it was all new and exciting there...

It's fucking Geraldo!! Even over here in the arse end of the world we know the guy can only loosely be called a journalist. That's simply a case of networks tripping over themselves to make each other look bad.

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(edited to add: they also have viewers comments, both for and against the war, linked on the front page, but i can't link that here.)

Now, none of these, besides the first, is particularly damning to the government, but if the media is under such a tight leash, explain these stories, particularly the first two. I�m generally curious.
Of course they (mass media) aren't under that tight a leash so that they cannot report anything that may be a bit bad for the government.

But go spend 10 minutes at cursor.org and you will see that they are missing out on some rather "hairy" stories.
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Old 04-03-2003, 08:49 PM   #32
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The claim that the US news media is nothing more than a propaganda machine for the government has been repeated quite a few times in this forum. For those of you who hold this view, not merely that the US news media is bias, because every news media to some degree is, but that the US news media is doing a horrible job reporting objectively on the news at all�could you please explain why the following stories all appear on the front page of cnn.com:
Also for those who debate the level or existence of control,

To assume one group is in control of the other is highly arguable. They do love to influence one another for each others� gain-like someone suggested-they do what�s best for themselves. They tell themselves they make their own decisions every night before they fall sleep, it�s a ritual for those at the top of their world. Try accusing Ted Turner or the board of Lockheed that someone - especially the government -controls them or their production in any way and you know what you�ll get.

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Why are they reporting on what the Arabs think?
Who can ignore those populations' universal disenchantment with everything U.S.? 600 million people from 15-16 predominantly muslim countries shouting at you -screaming for your demise? Again, check the post story comments for the bias, or even the omission of the 600 million number, not the story itself. Right now the biggest players in the U.S. media (Disney, GE, Microsoft, AOL TW, and man I am sick of those F-in lizard and fat loan chump commercials) are on the same page for the most part (Community! Identity! Stability!). Some like to do �favors� for the biggies in Washington more than others.

Sometimes they play off the polls � audience support growing, turning, ect. But after you turn the channel thinking "Its not all bad". The end effect is all the same. You get up and go to work in the morning. This is what is truly by design.

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BUT I think you guys had your experience with your news agencies.
now what I want to say is: you can't be fooled by a couple of "anti-war" articles! how can you trust a media that broadcast continuous fony news anyway! they have to give you some real shit so that you buy the rest of the bull shit
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Well said from someone living under a repressed monarchy themselves.


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Most americans don't like to see dead Iraqi children. If CNN for example showed those brutal gruesome pictures, they will lose millions of viewers in the snap second they switch channels with the remote control.


Is American media washing off the blood before they show it to us? Naaaaah, never. The BBC shows a little more hardcore reality ranging all the way up to Al-Jazeera, which holds nothing back. They�re pretty biased too-fueling the Arabs hatred but we�ll attempt to control that corner soon enough too. As for the slaughtered children and family, journalists were on the scene and it's kind of like one of those huge ugly things you can�t ignore. I feel bad for everyone on all sides -except those high enough to feel no pain.

But look for differences in the opinions and conclusions delivered after each source reports the horrible acts, not the (unless you kill all witnesses) omission of the acts themselves.

Another thing you don�t see much of here are reports on what other countries� leaders are saying to us and about us to each other. I consider that more imporant than what celebrity got a divorce, DUI, nose job, ect. That news used to be reserved exclusively for unrespected tabloids and now it's war follow-up.
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On the front page of CNN today is a story about how "dozens" of spectators left a Pearl Jam concert after Eddie Vedder starting bashing Bush.

Funny how they fail to mention that thousands chose to stay
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No, I'm just dismissing Chomsky as a habitually inaccurate purveyor of reality.

What part of that article do you take iissue with? I don't see where he predicts 3-4 million dead innocents.
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FAIR: Some Critical Media Voices Face Censorship
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NEW YORK - April 3 - Although the invasion of Iraq is being fought under the name "Operation Iraqi Freedom," it has constricted the range of expression sanctioned by media outlets within the U.S. Starting before the war began, several national and local media figures have had their work jeopardized, either explicitly or implicitly because of the critical views they expressed on the war.

* MSNBC canceled Phil Donahue's talkshow...

* Brent Flynn, a reporter for the Lewisville (Texas) Leader, was told he could no longer write a column for the paper in which he had expressed anti-war views...

* Kurt Hauglie, a reporter and columnist for Michigan's Huron Daily Tribune, quit the paper after allegedly being told that an anti-war column he had written would not run...

* The website YellowTimes.org, which featured original anti-war reporting and commentary, was shut down by its Web hosting company...

* The Qatar-based Al-Jazeera news network's attempts to set up an English-language website were foiled by unidentified U.S.-based hackers who launched a denial-of-service attack.... The station's reporters also had their press credentials revoked by the New York Stock Exchange, and were unable to obtain alternative credentials at the NASDAQ exchange...

* Veteran war correspondent Peter Arnett was fired by NBC as a result of an interview that he gave to Iraqi TV...
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No, I'm just dismissing Chomsky as a habitually inaccurate purveyor of reality.

And while one individual is dismissing another individual, the majority of humans on the planet are dismissing the White House, the State Department, the Department of Defense and Centcom as a habitually inaccurate purveyor of reality. We have allowed ourselves to once again become too much like the "evil" people that we have demonized into trumped-up justifications for killing. The intense pressure to force all Americans to be proud of that is another sad occurrence in our short history.
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And while one individual is dismissing another individual, the majority of humans on the planet are dismissing the White House, the State Department, the Department of Defense and Centcom as a habitually inaccurate purveyor of reality. We have allowed ourselves to once again become too much like the "evil" people that we have demonized into trumped-up justifications for killing. The intense pressure to force all Americans to be proud of that is another sad occurrence in our short history.
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