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K · 10-22-2002, 11:58 AM

Joel:

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Actually my critical thinking rating would be much much higher. I don't throw things out just because they seem a bit unusual. I would think it would require someone to be much more gullible to disregard something just because others tell them it isn't possible or likely.

Does this mean that you are open to the existence of leprechauns, ghosts, vampires, and werewolves? Have you not disregarded astrology, tea leaf reading, Hinduism, Islam, and Wicca?

Or is there only one area where you apply this completely accepting verision of "critical thinking"?

Kosh · 10-22-2002, 12:04 PM

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Originally posted by HoosierGuy28:
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Actually my critical thinking rating would be much much higher. I don't throw things out just because they seem a bit unusual.[/QB]

The irony of these two sentences is incredible, and further proves my point.

Ronin · 10-22-2002, 12:08 PM

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HoosierGuy28 · 10-22-2002, 12:10 PM

K

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Does this mean that you are open to the existence of leprechauns, ghosts, vampires, and werewolves? Have you not disregarded astrology, tea leaf reading, Hinduism, Islam, and Wicca?

Or is there only one area where you apply this completely accepting verision of "critical thinking"?

I wouldn't say I've disregarded anything.

Kosh

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The irony of these two sentences is incredible, and further proves my point.

Sorry, but I don't see the irony you claim. I don't have to throw something out to look at it critically.

Mageth · 10-22-2002, 01:01 PM

HoosierGuy28:

The thing is, I don't need another night.

You may not, but Jesus did:

Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Here's the passage from Jonah:

1:17 - Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights.

This passage makes no indication that Jonah was in the fish's belly for anything other than three days and three nights (72 hours). To support your theory, one would also have to assume Jonah wasn't really in the fish for three days and three nights, only one whole day and two whole nights.

So either Jesus was wrong in his prophecy or one must assume there's an error in Jonah's plain statement that he was in the fish for three days and three nights. Or else Jesus "cheated" using the exception you describe so he could cut his time "in the earth" in half.

K · 10-22-2002, 01:13 PM

Joel:

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I wouldn't say I've disregarded anything.

Then what are you doing to make sure you're doing what Allah and Vishnu want you to do? What have you offered to Zeus and Odin? Have you really not disregarded these? How about a flat earth? Or an earth orbitting sun? What about the idea that the earth is attached to the back of a tortoise?

Does it make sense to accept all these things without any real proof?

Buffman · 10-22-2002, 01:45 PM

Joel

Study, study, and then study some more. I see no reason not to believe in anything the Bible has to say. ...It has a very distinct order to it, and when you start putting things together, you realize that the Bible was in fact inspired by God.

And I await your answer to my query about why the various Christian Sects have a different number of divinely inspired books, in distinctly different order, all "in fact(?)" inspired by that identical God.

You can study, study, and study some more and still not be able to determine fact from fiction if you are only studying one book as your final authority on the natural world. Quite simply, how do you prove that your one book is not myth and superstition? I have attempted to assist you in that proof by asking you to tell me how your book came into physical being. Who were the real world editors (Gods) that decided what it would/would not contain?

When you claim that you "see no reason not to believe in anything the Bible has to say," aren't you really saying that you do have reason to discount the things that other books say that are in apposition to the words in your book? If so, upon what critical reasoning logic do you take such a position? The only one that I can find is "blind faith" since you have no verifiable evidence to support your claim.

No amount of studying is useful if the student is already convinced that they have all the answers. Isn't that what you just inferred? That your edition of the Judeo-Christian Bible has all the accurate answers therefore any other book must be in error if it disagrees with your book?

But what methodology do you use to make the determination that yours is right and the others are wrong? Are you contending that only your book has all the facts, all the truth, about the natural world? That the Sun actually stood still regardless of what the Physics books say would happen if it did?

Kosh · 10-22-2002, 01:45 PM

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Originally posted by HoosierGuy28:
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Sorry, but I don't see the irony you claim. </strong>

Yes, we all realize that quite well.

Good day!

Perchance · 10-22-2002, 01:47 PM

Hi Joel,

It looks like my question might have gotten lost in the noise of much longer (and more important, I must admit

) questions.

Let me repeat it:

Do you think the world would be better if everyone became a Christian?

Thank you.

-Perchance.

HelenM · 10-22-2002, 01:53 PM

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Originally posted by Perchance:
<strong>Do you think the world would be better if everyone became a Christian?</strong>

That would all depend which Christian they became.

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Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	HoosierGuy28: The thing is, I don't need another night. You may not, but Jesus did: Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Here's the passage from Jonah: 1:17 - Now the LORD had prepared a great fish to swallow up Jonah. And Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and three nights. This passage makes no indication that Jonah was in the fish's belly for anything other than three days and three nights (72 hours). To support your theory, one would also have to assume Jonah wasn't really in the fish for three days and three nights, only one whole day and two whole nights. So either Jesus was wrong in his prophecy or one must assume there's an error in Jonah's plain statement that he was in the fish for three days and three nights. Or else Jesus "cheated" using the exception you describe so he could cut his time "in the earth" in half.

10-22-2002, 01:45 PM	#97
Buffman Beloved Deceased Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: central Florida Posts: 3,546	Joel Study, study, and then study some more. I see no reason not to believe in anything the Bible has to say. ...It has a very distinct order to it, and when you start putting things together, you realize that the Bible was in fact inspired by God. And I await your answer to my query about why the various Christian Sects have a different number of divinely inspired books, in distinctly different order, all "in fact(?)" inspired by that identical God. You can study, study, and study some more and still not be able to determine fact from fiction if you are only studying one book as your final authority on the natural world. Quite simply, how do you prove that your one book is not myth and superstition? I have attempted to assist you in that proof by asking you to tell me how your book came into physical being. Who were the real world editors (Gods) that decided what it would/would not contain? When you claim that you "see no reason not to believe in anything the Bible has to say," aren't you really saying that you do have reason to discount the things that other books say that are in apposition to the words in your book? If so, upon what critical reasoning logic do you take such a position? The only one that I can find is "blind faith" since you have no verifiable evidence to support your claim. No amount of studying is useful if the student is already convinced that they have all the answers. Isn't that what you just inferred? That your edition of the Judeo-Christian Bible has all the accurate answers therefore any other book must be in error if it disagrees with your book? But what methodology do you use to make the determination that yours is right and the others are wrong? Are you contending that only your book has all the facts, all the truth, about the natural world? That the Sun actually stood still regardless of what the Physics books say would happen if it did?

10-22-2002, 01:47 PM	#99
Perchance Veteran Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,059	Hi Joel, It looks like my question might have gotten lost in the noise of much longer (and more important, I must admit ) questions. Let me repeat it: Do you think the world would be better if everyone became a Christian? Thank you. -Perchance.

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