ps418

A few more things about NDEs.

1. There are 2 prospective studies that have been done of the NDE, and they show that only a quite small number of those who "die" experience anything remarkable. Most have no memory of the dead time.

2. The phenomenology of NDEs has some fairly consistent aspects, but the specifics are quite variable. Its very clear that culture and prior experience exert a strong effect on what is experienced during the NDE.

3. There is no evidence beyond anecdotes to suggest any sort of true OOBE or ESP happens during OBEs. The few attempts to document such occurences under controlled circumstances have so far yielded no positive results.

4. All of the more remarkable phenomenological aspects of the NDE are replicated in some neurological disorders and drug-induced states (particularly ketamine and DMT). It is something of a misnomer to call such states NDEs.

There is plenty of good info on these points on the following threads. Unfortunately the formatting is all f'd up, so you'll have to work to extract that info.

Visual hallucinations and NDEs

Out-of-body experiences

Brain-An instrument of soul!

Patrick

Jesse

I saw this earlier when I was searching for info on blind NDEs. Scroll down to near the bottom of this page:

The amazon review of Mindsight I posted above mentioned that the book has "a pasted-in disclaimer telling you to ignore the Author's Note and Appendix because the case presented therein is now believed to be a fraud", I suspect it was the same one.

ps418

That's it, Jesse. Nice sleuthing.

Patrick

Gurdur

ah well, at least I'm spared the effort of restating the obvious; if the neuro evidence does not even coherently, let alone cogently, point to the existence of a putative supernatural, then it's hardly evidence for a supernatural.