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Curt Epithet · 07-28-2003, 03:26 PM

Well, my daughter is almost 41, so I'd say at least 42 for females. And my grandson is 16, so 16 for males sounds about right.

Old Sexist Curt

Loren Pechtel · 07-28-2003, 04:03 PM

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Originally posted by PopeInTheWoods
A quick legal question:

In the USA, the age of consent is generally 18 correct? So what happens if two 15-year-olds have otherwise consensual sex with each other? Can they both be charged with statuatory rape?

Andy

Nope--the most common value is 16. Look here

Loren Pechtel · 07-28-2003, 04:04 PM

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Originally posted by tronvillain
The age of consent in Canada is actually fourteen as far as I can recall, though you cannot have anal sex until you are eighteen (that will probably change eventually). I think a two tiered system would be good, with a two year difference limit for those between fourteen and sixteen (or numbers somewhere around those).

14 for sex involving a female. 18 for sex involving two males.

tronvillain · 07-28-2003, 04:40 PM

Yes, but anal sex with a female is also at eighteen. As I said, I expect the discrimination against homosexuality to end before too long.

Calzaer · 07-28-2003, 05:34 PM

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Yeah, swell. That way a 6 year old can have sex with Aqualung as long as the authorities are satisfied that the kid is able to give informed consent.

Whatcher point?

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Anyone caught porking under 21 should be thrown in the slammer for 30 days. Period.

As if our jails weren't overcrowded enough already. They're going to hell anyway, so why try to dissuade them from exercising their free will?

yguy · 07-28-2003, 05:41 PM

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Originally posted by Calzaer
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Yeah, swell. That way a 6 year old can have sex with Aqualung as long as the authorities are satisfied that the kid is able to give informed consent.

Whatcher point?

Wow.

Edit: It occurs to me, Calzaer, that the allusion to "Aqualung" may be meaningless to you. It's the title of an old Jethro Tull song about a wrinkled up old bastard who, among other things, "eyes little girls with bad intent".

Calzaer · 07-28-2003, 06:21 PM

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Do you remember
December's foggy freeze
When the ice that clings onto your beard
Was screaming agony
And you catch your rattling last breaths
With deep-sea diver sounds
And the flowers bloom like madness in the spring...

I'm a huge Tull fan, thanks. Aqualung actually does more than "eye" them... in the song "Cross-Eyed Mary":

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Laughing in the playground
Gets no kicks from little boys
Rather make it with a leching grey
Or maybe her attention's
bought by Aqualung
Who watches through the railings as they play...

However, that's completely beside the point. If the people in charge have decided that Cross-Eyed Mary can give informed consent, and gives her a license to do so.... where's the problem? She can make an informed decision, the licensing agency has provided us with prima facia evidence of that. And anyone who can give informed consent can have sex with (just about) anyone they chose.

I'd ask if this had something to do with your "anyone having sex under 21 should be put in prison" policy, but somehow I get the idea you're slightly more mortified about this occurance than one involving a child a few years older who has also been given the Informed Consent certification.

And, once again, they're both going to hell anyway. Why are you trying to dissuade the kid from exercising free will? Even God doesn't interfere on that level...

yguy · 07-28-2003, 06:35 PM

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Originally posted by Calzaer
If the people in charge have decided that Cross-Eyed Mary can give informed consent, and gives her a license to do so.... where's the problem?

Let me get this straight - you think a six year old getting it on with an adult is no problem as long as the government verifies her capacity to give informed consent?

Calzaer · 07-28-2003, 06:51 PM

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Let me get this straight - you think a six year old getting it on with an adult is no problem as long as the government verifies her capacity to give informed consent?

The only problem with young children having sex (apart perhaps from purely physical concerns) is that they can't give informed consent. If they can show to an independant body they can indeed give informed consent, then that concern is lifted. Is there another obstacle? Due to differences in physical size, I wouldn't object to the lowest licensable age being, say, 12, or come with the onset of sexual maturity (require a physical as part of the certification process). Surely you could agree to that too; to limit sexual reproduction to a completely arbitrary number is very anti-family.

yguy · 07-28-2003, 07:02 PM

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Originally posted by Calzaer

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Let me get this straight - you think a six year old getting it on with an adult is no problem as long as the government verifies her capacity to give informed consent?

The only problem with young children having sex (apart perhaps from purely physical concerns) is that they can't give informed consent. If they can show to an independant body they can indeed give informed consent, then that concern is lifted.

May I take this as a yes?

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07-28-2003, 03:26 PM	#21
Curt Epithet Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: somewhere else Posts: 65	Well, my daughter is almost 41, so I'd say at least 42 for females. And my grandson is 16, so 16 for males sounds about right. Old Sexist Curt

07-28-2003, 04:40 PM	#24
tronvillain Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 5,658	Yes, but anal sex with a female is also at eighteen. As I said, I expect the discrimination against homosexuality to end before too long.

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