York

well then the people i am around sometimes use the word anti-semite incorrectly. i was under the impression that any time a view is not in acordance with the jews/zionists/semites/isrealites or whatever they are to be called was anti-semite.

for example where i live they were building 2 subway lines. then funds were to be cut and only one line could be finnished. line A was a hole in the ground. line B was not far off completion. the government went ahead with completing line A.

my initial reaction was thats crazy, finnish line B since its almost done then spend the rest as needed elsewhere. then i was labeled anti-semite and thats how i was introduced to that word.

the area line A would service was infact a predominatly "jew" area. i felt it made more sense to complete line B and was now called anti-semite. i have had a few other instances like that to.



i also believe you can be pro-semite but not be a semite. just as i am pro-nazi in some aspects but not a nazi. you hold the belief that the holocaust happened so are pro-semite, i have my doubts and am anti-semite.

i have no evidence of a jewish conspiracey. all i got is a history of gentiles/non-jews persecuting the jews. this is what the semites themselves preach. hitler was the latest trying to rid his world of jews. if i remember correctly not many other countries took jews in when hitler wanted to boot them out of germany.

in the new testament during the time of jesus the bible calls the jews israelites. there were also the pharasies who im thinking are the mirror image of zionists today. they had great influence with rome considering their people were slaves.

the two paragraphs before this last one is what i have. along with a beffudlment as to why any time i say something that is not pro-jewish i am all of a sudden an anti-semite or nazi. the only justification for this is that i am a gentile as i have already been labeled. :banghead: :banghead:

TiredJim

Just don't have children.

Loren Pechtel

I certainly wouldn't have called you anti-semite for that.

Note, however, that there might very well have been other factors involved--which line was needed more?

catmar

Mission: Impossible fan? So are my husband and I. That was actually one of their better episodes.

heartsonfire

I'm new here, but I'd be willing to bet that the user ID "Col. Klink" is available.

Cicero

You are pro-Nazi, [edited - Vork]

EOS

RED DAVE

To York:

You are an antisemite, a nazi and a disgrace to humanity. Your pose of "neutrality" on the holocaust is just to draw attention to your [deleted] self and to infuriate the rest of us. In this you have succeeded.

RED DAVE

Corona688

That has already been discussed in my earlier message. It is possible that the Soviet Union may have inflated the reported numbers of how many of their people were slain. This is by no means a sure thing; it's still being researched and discussed.

It is a known fact that SOME Russians were slain by the nazis, however. In fact, LOTS of them. Want to show otherwise? Be my guest. Plenty of leads to follow, namely every surviving Russian Jew with a number tattooed on their arm. No, don't quote your book. I care about facts, not propaganda.

And even if the entirety of the Soviet Union is lying about ANY RUSSIANS at ALL being killed by nazis, which of course they're not, the Third Reich still killed a buttload of people. Three million people killed then burned is no more acceptable than six.

Unfortunately, what you're reading is total bullshit. The manner in which the Nazis killed people is well documented by survivors, historians, and the nazis themselves:

They started with shooting them, and poisoning them with carbon monoxide from badly-tuned diesel engines. Unfortunately, this wasn't fast enough or efficient enough for their needs. They wanted a method which would kill more, faster, without wasting fuel or bullets. The answer they found was a cleaning chemical called Zyklon B. A cleaning chemical with the uncommon ability to produce large quantaties of hydrogen cyanide gas.

Wrong, wrong, and wrong. They could well have experimented with electricity and fire to kill people - Zyklon B wasn't the first thing they tried, not by a long shot. But the vast majority of the victims of the nazis were killed by two methods:
1) Forced labor and minimal food, leading to starvation
2) Cyanide gas poisoning via Zyklon B.

And neither were the victims of the Nazis ALL Jewish people - nobody's claiming that, that's just a strawman you threw up. Anyone that the nazis thought of as unsuitable was fair game for murder; homosexuals, the mentally impaired, Gypsies and so forth were also rounded up and killed. They simply concentrated their efforts on Jewish people. Allow me to fill in a gap in your information, then. There WAS fire involved in the death camps, lots of it; after all, one can't easily dispose of thousands and thousands of dead bodies. The ovens had to burn 24 hours a day to dispose of all the people that the Nazis murdered with cyanide gas, and even that wasn't enough - the bodies kept heaping, and they kept building more ovens..

Pro-semites? I am not a pro-semite. I say freely that I don't agree with a lot of things that Israel has done, I don't automatically agree with Jewish people any more than I'd automatically agree with atheists or Christians or Muslims. I am simply opposed to mass-murder, nay, slaughter of millions of people, and question the agenda of those who claim such an event never happened. It's not like there are two options, York. The facts are THERE. If you don't believe them, you are welcome to go to the nearest library, or to Germany itself, to research the past. The facts are damning. If you don't like the books, fine, go see for yourself. And 'Jew' is not? I have attempted throughout this thread to continuously refer to them as Jewish people, not Jews, the same way I would refer to Japanese as Japanese, not Japs. Is the Jewish religion evil? No more than the religion of Nazism.

Corona688

It is definitely possible that the label 'anti-semite' can and has been used incorrectly for political or other gain. Your point?

Again, pro-semite implies allegiance with the Jewish culture. I have no such thing. I don't understand Jewish culture particularly well, for that matter. I simply don't think them deserving of what the Nazis did to them - nobody is, not even you - and question the agenda of those who want to sweep history under the rug. Stop. Think. Are the Nazis REALLY what you want to associate yourselves with? Even 'some aspects'. There is very little of the Nazi ideology that is not vile, utter filth by any human standards. YET AGAIN you try to imply that those who don't deny the holocaust are impelled by the force of the Jewish Conspiracy. I am in NO way involved with any conspiracy, Jewish or otherwise. I have renounced my religion, and have no attachment to Judaism or Christianity. Tell me. What conspiracy am I part of?
It is not your doubt that makes you an anti-semite. It is your motivation.

If you are so sure of your position, why aren't you quoting facts!? Pull some figures from relevant historical annals and SHOW US why we're wrong. But you haven't. All you have done is point at a book written by a self-admitted racist and anti-semite, not in the sense YOU mean but the REAL sense, that of hatred of Jewish people and culture. Well, then who DO you think is creating this "conspiracy"? Who would have a vested interest in spreading hatred and lies? Think on that. And think on which side of this argument you stand. AGAIN, Jewish people were not the sole victims of the Nazis. They were simply the biggest target. Also, the operative word there is HISTORY. We're not making this Holocaust thing up. The Nazis went and killed a buttload of people, many or even most of them Jewish. They certainly didn't hide the fact that they didn't like Jewish people. They killed them in This camp, among others like it, in gas chambers like this one with gas produced by Zyklon B. And when they were dead they usually burned them in ovens like These ones and These ones. The preponderance of evidence is astounding. If you were to look at the EVIDENCE ITSELF, rather than the handwavings of those who don't like it, I think you'd become convinced rather quickly. Screw the books! Go looking for the belly of the beast yourself. Look through the nazi documents, explore the gas chambers that they killed with, inspect the ovens they burned the dead with, the trains they brought the victims in with, the photos and movies taken by the allies when Germany was occupied. And on, and on, and on. If you are truly seeking the truth rather than reinfocement of your own views, there is nothing else to do - get the facts.

Irrelevant. We are not talking about Jewish history before WWII. We are talking about the Holocaust, where it can be indisputably said that Hitler DID kill a lot of people, most of them Jewish. This is also correct. This makes his killing of millions of people justified how? I cannot see any connection this has with the rest of your argument, no matter how hard I try. Because you choose to wallow in anti-semitic propaganda rather than investigate the facts yourself. That's why. Gentile? Who is calling you that? Certainly not me. By the literal meaning of the word, I would be one as well, being non-Jewish, and non-religious entirely for that matter.

No, we don't think you're a gentile. We think your avoidance of the facts rather heavily implies a hidden agenda.
[edited to remove insult]

RED DAVE

I think that this antisemite, crypto-nazi (and I don't use the term lightly), York, has bailed out of this thread, having gotten the drubbing he deserves.

Kudos to everyone who took it on themselves to kick butt:

RED DAVE