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Old 01-28-2005, 03:38 PM   #71
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I see. Tanks from Syria? Attack helicopters from Saudi Arabia? Satellite recon from Yemen? Field artillery from Iran?

This is one of those absurdities that is so out of touch with reality that it is difficult to muster a response at a level comprehensible to the proponent.
maybe it's you who needs to get in touch with reality? sure it's not at the same level of aid israel gets but this is n example of only ONE shipment that we know of:Karin A

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The Karin A (also Karine A) was a 4,000 ton freighter intercepted by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) on January 3, 2002 carrying a wide variety of weapons. While the ship itself was worth an estimated $400,000 and the civilian cargo used to conceal the weapons approximately $3,000,000, the weapons were reportedly purchased for approximately $15,000,000. The IDF claimed the ship was owned by the Palestinian Authority, and that the arms were bound for their use.

The equipment included Katyusha rockets, mortars, sniper rifles, bullets, anti-tank mines, anti-tank missiles, as well as over two and a half tons of pure explosives. According to Maj. Gen. Yedidya Yaari, the commander of the Israeli Navy, they were packed in 83 crates in waterproof plastic and attached to buoys, to permit their drop-off and retrieval at sea.
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Old 01-28-2005, 04:01 PM   #72
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He's not fighting, he's protesting. He and his supporters poses no threat whatsoever to the guys in the tank.
Just like a kid throwing a rock poses no threat to israeli tanks, which was exactly my point.

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Just like a kid throwing a rock poses no threat to israeli tanks, which was exactly my point.

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Incorrect. Rock throwers can threaten tanks. Sure, a rock can't hurt a tank, but if the rocks make the tankers keep their heads down they might miss the real attack.
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the Rock throwers children"" don't usualy throw their rocks (sometimes it's molotov ) at tanks, they throw them at ground soldiers.
although it makes good propoganda pictuers when they do.
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Incorrect. Rock throwers can threaten tanks. Sure, a rock can't hurt a tank, but if the rocks make the tankers keep their heads down they might miss the real attack.

Loren, you really are off the deep end sometimes.
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maybe it's you who needs to get in touch with reality? sure it's not at the same level of aid israel gets but this is n example of only ONE shipment that we know of:Karin A
Thank you both for making my point for me.

Israel recieves billions upon Billions in direct aid and weapons, shipped at the expense of the United States. The most modern gunships, helicopters, tanks, mortars, missiles, machine guns, etc. BILLIONS

When they are delivered with my tax money, no newswire hurls headlines such as "Israelis caught receiving free helicopters from the U.S."

With the palestinians, shipments of weapons are intercepted by the United States and others. Weapons the Palestinians try to purchase are seized.

You shriek about $15 million in weapons intercepted as if they actually were in posession of firepower anywhere even in the same universe as the Israelis.

These people are throwing fucking rocks and blowing themselves up.

You are so blinded by Zionism that for years after a mere $15 million in weapons is seized headed for the palestinians that you want to harp on it as if that overshadowed the hundreds of millions in weapons at a time regularly delivered to the Israelis FOR FREE.

The story is exactly as I said - we prohibit the Palestinians from receiving weapons at the same time we are lavishing them on the Israelis.
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Incorrect. Rock throwers can threaten tanks. Sure, a rock can't hurt a tank, but if the rocks make the tankers keep their heads down they might miss the real attack.
So a soldier in a tank is vulnerable to attack unless he can stick his head outside?

If this is true the IDF must have the crappiest tanks in the history of warfare.

Bumble Bee Tuna, that is a very good example of double standards. By the rationale offered by some supporters of Israel, the guy in Tianamen Square should have been killed because of the potential threat he posed, regardless how slight that potential really was.
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Incorrect. Rock throwers can threaten tanks. Sure, a rock can't hurt a tank, but if the rocks make the tankers keep their heads down they might miss the real attack.
I agree with what another poster said. Israel must have the crappiest tanks in history.
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I agree with what another poster said. Israel must have the crappiest tanks in history.
Tanks on their own in an urban environment don't fare well. They must have either infantry or people sticking their head up watching. Thus things which harm infantry but not tanks *ARE* a danger to tanks. Not because of the direct harm but because they keep the real attackers from being discovered.
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I'd move to Australia.
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