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Old 03-30-2002, 01:32 AM   #11
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<strong>The great thing about the TAG, as some evangelical critics point out, is that it makes the Bible superfluous. Jesus too. Indeed, the way I read it, the TAG is an argument for Deism.

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I agree. I had a mini-debate with a Presuppositionalist on another board where he pulled out the old "how can you trust inductive reasoning" rabbit out of his hat. Now at this point I had two choices. I could go into a long, boring, and probably useless diatribe on the formal structure of logic, pragmatism, and the scientific method or I could take a shortcut and just concede his point. So I just put on my deist hat and conceded his point. The deist hat is really rather comfortable once you realize that the concept of god that you are granting is empty of nearly any content. I highly advise to go into deist mode with CP's. It will spare you much mind-numbing semantic debate with them and will cut to the heart of their claims. Make them start proving not just the existence of god, but his specifically Christian attributes. Sure, you can probably win in atheist mode, but why bother. They're not just trying to prove the existence of some concept called God, but rather the Christian God. This is where their argument is obviously weak. This is where you can really grandstand and taunt them.
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Old 03-31-2002, 12:03 AM   #12
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I agree. I had a mini-debate with a Presuppositionalist on another board where he pulled out the old "how can you trust inductive reasoning" rabbit out of his hat. Now at this point I had two choices. I could go into a long, boring, and probably useless diatribe on the formal structure of logic, pragmatism, and the scientific method or I could take a shortcut and just concede his point. So I just put on my deist hat and conceded his point. The deist hat is really rather comfortable once you realize that the concept of god that you are granting is empty of nearly any content. I highly advise to go into deist mode with CP's. It will spare you much mind-numbing semantic debate with them and will cut to the heart of their claims. Make them start proving not just the existence of god, but his specifically Christian attributes. Sure, you can probably win in atheist mode, but why bother. They're not just trying to prove the existence of some concept called God, but rather the Christian God. This is where their argument is obviously weak. This is where you can really grandstand and taunt them.</strong>
Nice idea, I will have to try it out. In fact, it would probably work just as well with Einstein Position on God (God redefined as the order to the universe as science/logic can reveal it, compliments Hard Materialism/Atheism nicely), which I hold.
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