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Old 09-09-2002, 09:39 AM   #71
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Filing for bankruptcy in no way protects one from having to pay past or currently due child support, taxes, or student loans.

Anyone who files bankruptcy in an attempt to avoid the IRS is in for a rude awakening.

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Old 09-09-2002, 10:29 AM   #72
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<strong>It looks like Hovind is getting a jury trial. I'd be the last person to deny him a jury trial, but that combined with the fact that he wants to represent himself worries me some. He could downplay the whole thing as a minor incident of raised tempers, based on my reading of the police report. That, combined with emphasis on how he is doing God's work -- which, being Hovind, he will assuredly bring up at the trial -- could make the jury more sympathetic to him.

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Being a Tax Protester, Hovind is probably familiar with ways to jam up the legal system with bogus motions and such; that's probably his reason for representing himself - a real lawyer (or a competent one, at least) isn't going to do that. He's probably hoping for a jury trial in hopes that the DA will drop the charges; jury trials are expensive and since Hovind isn't a crackhead breaking into homes to support his habit, it might be tough to convince a jury that his intent was burglary.

On the other hand, juries are notoriously tough on burglars, especially in the South. Texas carries a 5 to 99 year sentence for residential burglary, so most burglary cases aren't tried before juries. A few well-educated people on the jury will most likely see through Hovind's crap and want to stick it to him.

IMO, the victim should probably further pursue the matter in civil court, as well. Hovind's defense of thinking he had some sort of right to barge into the house would be torn apart by any lawyer.
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Old 09-09-2002, 10:31 AM   #73
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Well, he manages to convince a fair few of creationism because he gets a chance to talk to them uninterrupted.
The operative word here is "uninterrupted". In court you don't get to go on and on. He will be interrupted by the judge and the prosecutor. And he will have to answer the questions. (Whether he lies or not is up to him.) Preaching, and obfuscating probably won't get him very far.
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Well, he manages to convince a fair few of creationism because he gets a chance to talk to them uninterrupted. Even manages to convince them that all this evidence for evolution is actually evidence for creation. He may be an idiot, but he's a persuasive one.</strong>
yeah, but he's persuasive to a bunch of idiots who are only to eager to hear that their faith in the bible is supported. It might be a bit harder to convince a jury. Especially if there are members there who are intelligent....

I'm no lawyer, but I'm pretty sure that in jury trials, both sides are able to pick the members of the jury with dismissal or sustaining of arguments to accept/reject a member. That should help as will the fact that he won't be able to go on and on and on uninterupted.

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<strong>Oh sorry folks, it's the wrong Kent Hovind.
Look at the report, it says "Dr. Hovind."

Apologies to Mr. Hovind for any misunderstandings.
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Correct, and that was a dormitory on his "campus" that he busted in to. He heard loud music and saw an open beer can, so he went to expel the "students".
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It'll be interesting to see how he goes when he isn't controlling the microphone.
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I'm no lawyer, but I believe in almost all cases of criminal charges, it ends up going something like this: defendant enters "not guilty" plea, case is scheduled for a jury trial, then then the real business happens - plea bargaining.

So Hovind is probably looking for reduced charges. However, a possible sticking point for Hovind (and I don't know if this is dictated by law or by a particular prosecutor's policy)- plea bargaining, at least in some situations, is only done between the prosecuter and the defendant's attorney - a prosecutor won't plea bargain with someone who is representing themselves. Does anyone know if that's the case in Pensacola?

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But in any event, in these sort of cases I believe that the fine is far more common fate than the jail time. </strong>
Yeah, but you actually have to pay the fine! Hovind doesn't exactly have a sterling record when it comes to paying money that he owes to the government. Afterall, failure to do so is why he's been in trouble with them on two previous occasions. Maybe he'll avoid paying the fines and then receive jail time.

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And I wonder if he'll be able to spin it so it looks as if he was jailed for his Godly beliefs and his crusade against the forces of evil. There's one person on Christian Forums stating very confidently that this whole situation has been made up by atheists.
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First, Hovind is not the registered owner of the property that the incident occured on, and so I wonder about his claim (in the arrest report) that he is the owner. This brings to mind Hovind's attepmt to declare bankruptcy in order to avoid the IRS. Is Kent trying to hide assets from the court, and the IRS? </strong>
My thoughts exactly. Placing the property under the "Kent hovind church" or whatever and declaring himself trustee seems to be a way to make the property tax-free and/or remove assets from his personal holdings that could be used against him in his ongoing tax cases. However, he has other property on that very same street that is listed under his name or that of his wife, so apparently he's not doing this universally. If he's trying to use church status to avoid paying property taxes, then he's clearly breaking the law if he's renting it out for profit.

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Secondly, I wonder why he wanted to property vacated?
They didn't pay rent? He had other prospective tenents that offered him more money? Landlords have all sorts of reasons for wanting their tenents to leave, but they are very restricted legally from what they can do about it. Forcing you way into the house and beating up the tenets is not allowed in most states.

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This is not material, but it could sway the jury one way or another. For example, he could claim that he thought that the tenants engaged in an illeagal, or immoral activity.
Those claims would quickly be declared irrelevant by any competent judge. The jury would be instructed to ignore those claims, and Hovind would be ordered to stick to relevant material. I would pay good money to watch that trial. Someone call Court TV!

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