BibleBelted

WJ unbelievably posted:

You're welcome.
You have now proved to us all that "does not believe" means the same as "believe."

LMAO

Let us all now hang our heads in dejection and admit defeat at the hands of this master logician (read "doorknob"). Please tell us now how we can be saved.

Guys,
I think this is some theistic attempt at the argument from sausage.
I move he be shipped to RR&P. They've been complaining about a dearth of quality trolls.

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WJ

Megath!

Some of you guys are very predictable. And so, speaking of semantics, you said:

"Use silly semantics to prove your point or disprove your opponent's point."

What is the logical use of language? Is there something other than the use of words that describes better how you feel about what I just said viz. the justification of your belief? (This is truly an important question.)

Walrus

Mageth

What is the logical use of language?

Typically I use language to communicate to others what my positions are.

My position is atheism, a lack of belief in god(s). It is not a belief system; it is an absense of a belief system(s). That is the "logically" accepted definition of atheism that should be understood in a discussion.

You're using language to force a position on us that we don't hold by using "silly semantics" to twist and redefine the positions that we've used our language to communicate to you. It's no more than a childish game and serves no logical purpose.

[ April 24, 2002: Message edited by: Mageth ]</p>

WJ

Megath!

"Typically I use language to communicate to others what my positions are."

Mmmm, so, you have taken a position on the matter. At least you admit to having taken a position on God. Now, since you've taken a position, what is your position based on?

Walrus

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jj

You silly, illogical fool!

A lack of belief is NOT A BELIEF. "does not believe" indicates a LACK of a belief, not a belief in something else.

Please just retire now and admit you've nothing to offer but the most elementary exercises of the most basic, dishonest, repugnant rhetorical fallacies.

You simply can't understand basic logic, and I think you don't want to.

free12thinker

WJ
In your last post, you asked Megath what his position was based on. Let me tell you what my position was based on; and you can reply if you like. And please, no mixing words or putting words in my mouth, or analyzing too hard or making assumptions. Here goes:

I don't believe in a God. Read that? I don't believe in a God. That means any God. So don't ask me what gives me a lack of belief in your God, or the buddhas god or the hindu god or the stories in the bible or gods intentions. I don't believe in a God, period.

I don't believe in a God because I've never seen one, nor have I seen evidence for one, nor have I seen enough consistency in someone else's evidence of one. Quite unlike the evidence surrounding your cold cup-hot cup comparison, for which I have seen evidence, and would therefore find it believable that your cup used to be hot, even as it is cold in my hands. Since I have seen hot turn to cold or cold turn to hot, I have no reason to believe that it couldn't happen again.

I don't believe in God or his spirit, since I've never felt it. I've never felt the need to seek it out either. This isn't to say I would shun a God should one ever come before me. But one has not. I am confident one never will, for the same reason I am confident an elephant will never be a principal at my daughters school. Why? Because that which we have never seen, or has ever deemed to be credible by using logic and reason is always shunned as false or impossible. There is no reason or logic behind the possibility of an elephant running a school, nor is there any such reason or logic surrounding a mysterious deity. That's why we call the belief in gods "faith". Faith requires confidence in the unknown. God is unknown and will be until there's consistent proof.

You wan't our position for being atheist? Well, there's mine. Simply put, there is no evidence.

WJ

Mmmm, you guys hurt my feelings. Oh well, I guess I proved my point.

Atheism is just another religion. Otherwise, I'm still waiting for you to answer part of the original question, which excludes the concept or words from another 'belief system'...how is atheism justified as absolute?

So far, I've understood arguments for the justification of agnosticism, not atheism.


Walrus

Mageth

I'll second free12thinker's post.

BTW, my dog lacks a belief in god(s) too, for much the same reason as I do. She's never chased a god up a tree.

Koyaanisqatsi

Well, WJ, it's clear that you want someone to come down to your level and everyone who knows me here knows that I have no compunction whatsoever wallowing around in the intellectual feces of trolls who come here thinking they've got a handle on things (you know, like you), so let's have at it.

That's an interesting claim. To my knowledge, atheism means "without theism."

What are the tenets of this religion you claim exists?

What is the dogma?

Who authored the dogma?

Where are the scriptures, the churches?

What is the hierarchy?

A defining quality of religion is that it is based upon the metaphysical in some fashion and that there is a central deity that is worshipped. What about atheism is metaphysical and what is the central deity that we all worship?

You talk the talk, let's see you walk the walk, little clubber.

You've made your claim now prove it.

Why would it need to be?

We're not responsible for your ignorance and the "justification" is painfully simple. Fictional creatures do not factually exist.

Do you have any compelling evidence that would contradict that extant fact? No. You do not.

Therefore, it stands.

Now put up or shut up. You claimed atheism is a religion. Prove it.

(I can't wait to see you weasel out of this one...watch the bouncing WJ everybody!)

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