Jack the Bodiless

The reason the Jews reject Jesus is because he failed to fulfil various messianic prophecies. And that's assuming the New Testament is correct: we cannot know if he actually did any specific deed ascribed to him.

And you haven't respond to my post on the <a href="http://ii-f.ws/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=4&t=002592&p=3" target="_blank">What about fulfilled prophecies?</a> thread. Here's what I said about one alleged "fulfilled prophecy":

There are several problems with this, and each illustrates the distortions incorporated into "Biblical prophesies" in general.

1. The wrong "Bethlehem"
The original prophecy referred to the clan of "Bethlehem Ephrata", not the town near Nazareth. The author invented the reference to "the land of Judea".

2. The wrong time period
The original prophecy referred to a military leader who would defeat the Assyrians, centuries before Jesus. Other prophecies have also been ripped out of context like this.

3. Was it fulfilled?
There is no good reason to assume that Jesus actually was born in Bethlehem. The earliest gospel, Mark, makes no mention of this. It appears to be a story introduced later to make a "fulfilled prophecy". And it's shoddy even by Biblical standards: there was no actual massacre of children by Herod, for instance.

Amos

David the prophecies that Jesus fulilled are just repeat stories of salvation that happened to many more Jews before that. It is just that here the time was ripe for others, both pagan and Jew, to run away with the story and leave Judaism biting the dust of what came to be known as Catholicism.

Wake up to the real world David if you ever want to become a man.
Amos

Mageth

David:

You think your interpretation of Ezekiel is new or unique? I've heard similar interpretations all my life; for most of it, the USSR was the invader from the north. Must be! Watch it come true! You'll believe when it happens! But then, 1989, and the fall of the Soviet Union....

In the 60s, I heard that Jesus was returning any day now...

In the 70s...

In the 80s...

In the 90s...

Now in the 2000s, you expect me to believe you?...same old horseshit, never pays off. I quit expecting it to a decade or so ago. One can only hear and believe so many false endtimes prophecies before one quits listening.

About Jesus: the writers of the gospels (long after Jesus died) invented much of what they wrote about him to fit OT prophecies. Sometimes not very well (e.g. the "born of a virgin" fiasco).

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GunnerJ

dave- Writing a book about a person who fulfills prophesies from a major religion does not prove that the person actually fulfilled them.

critical thinking made ez

Here is a book on the subject. It might help clear the forest so those trees aren't so hard to see.


<a href="http://www.secweb.org/bookstore/bookdetail.asp?BookID=97" target="_blank">Bible Prophecy: Failure or Fulfillment?</a>

[ January 10, 2002: Message edited by: critical thinking made ez ]</p>