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7thangel · 03-24-2003, 09:17 PM

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Originally posted by Angrillori
You won't, but the Baal-ites were supposed to?

Consider this me impersonating Elijah: I'm calling your god out. On the seventh day from today I will have two grills set up in my back yard. If he's any better than Baal, he HAS to show.

The scenario on Elijah and the false prophets are different compared with us. And again, not because Elijah did such, I should also do literally likewise. So please stop bugging me about Elijah. We accept challenges if it is after our God's will.

BTW, there is a prophesy I knew that can be a reason for me to accept a challenge. I will accept a challenge if it will further such prophecy.

Fiach · 03-24-2003, 11:38 PM

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Originally posted by Justin70
<long pause>

You have GOT to be kidding me.

The bible is intentionally written to be misunderstood by the lost? So, let me understand this: No matter how hard I try to 'understand' the bible, it will ALWAYS elude me until I come around and become a Christian? Am I understanding this correctly or did I miss something?

Justin

You are understanding what is a chaotic set of books not all in agreement with each other. It is logically inconsistent, full of errors. To understand it requires not only being a Christian but the ability to read it with special blinders that block out that which is inconsistent with your preconceived or indoctrinated ideas. You then learn to separate the universe into a matter-energy (REAL and bound by logic) universe and a Magic Universe (IMMAGINARY and free of the laws of logic.) When you can do that you can be a Christian and find the bible clear.

The rest of us find the Bible chaotic and dodgy, erroneous and self-contradictory. Its magic is unconvincing and childish. Magic does not really exist. But in the Magic universe anything can be accepted no matter how gabberloony it is.

Fiach

keyser_soze · 03-25-2003, 03:12 AM

Well, I for one accept the nestea challenge! I will have two grills going in my back yard tomorrow no less(I'm already cooking out..so not biggie)! 7th, do you think he can outdo my god of the lighter? I will give him from 9am when the grills go out in the yard until tomorrow at 3 when I start the cooking. If he doesn't light either of them, then I am going to have to continue my subservience to the great IPU.

happyboy · 03-25-2003, 05:43 AM

how is the backyard grill experiment any different from elijah's situation, 7th? God's people are walking away from Him, falling into sin. they mock His name, they deny His existence, and they ridicule any who follow Him. sounds a lot like elijah's time to me.

so, 7th: put up or shut up.

a very disgusted happyboy

BioBeing · 03-25-2003, 09:12 AM

Well, I grilled out last night - some lovely ribeyes! - but had to light the grill myself. Must admit, I didn't pray too hard before lighting the gas, but I did turn on the cylinder, to make it easier for God...

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I am making a point why such challenges are not accepted by showing the complication of making such challenges because of clash in principles, and also of no intention subjecting to the winner. Which bring me back Baloo's challenge, where I noted in his thread the problem of no interest of following me, such as agreeing with my beliefs. Becasue in such scenario, it really does not benefit God becasue Baloo will just create scism in the church of God because of going on with his(baloo) own beliefs. And having such beliefs that contradict my God, he(baloo) therefore will still remain an enemy of God. And that is the like scenario of what Angrilori quoted about those false prophets of baal. And that the story of Elijah challenging the false prophets, the real beneficiary are those who believed. So if you challenge God without intention of subjecting unto Him, then it will have no benefit for you, and for God as well. And if such challenge will not benefit you, there is no reason for us Christians to accept it.

Forgive me if I cannot quite follow your English here (I take it English is not your first language?). But, if you accepted a challenge from anyone not already religous, their pretence at being religous (assuming you won the challenge) would divide the Church? Wow - I would have thought that the Church was stronger than one Baloo or BioBeing!

Further: you only accept challenges when God tells you to, is that correct? Then I would have to assume that you are not an Evangelical Christian, or a Jehovahs Witless. Do you ever try to convert people? What criteria do you use before trying? How do you approach it? Have you ever succeeded? What did you say or do to accomplish that? Is it theoretically possible for onew who has denounced God to come into the fold?

So many questions, so little logic... (I really need to make that a sig. Do they not allow sigs on this site?)

7thangel · 03-25-2003, 10:19 AM

Let us set up a challenge, and I want all moderators to be involved.

Wyz_sub10 · 03-25-2003, 11:47 AM

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Originally posted by 7thangel
Let us set up a challenge, and I want all moderators to be involved.

I cannot speak for the other mods of this forum, but if you want to start a thread and outline your challenge, I'll ensure that it stays on track.

PM me if you want to discuss specific parametres. (make sure your PM is active as well).

Asha'man · 03-25-2003, 04:29 PM

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Originally posted by 7thangel
Let us set up a challenge, and I want all moderators to be involved.

If you can set up a challenge that is acceptable, count me in as well.

Personally, I don't see what is wrong with a backyard grill challenge. It's a trivial excercise of power, and nobody gets hurt, right?

Brahe · 03-25-2003, 07:07 PM

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Originally posted by Asha'man
Personally, I don't see what is wrong with a backyard grill challenge. It's a trivial excercise of power, and nobody gets hurt, right?

Isn't it funny how so many pray for the big things (e.g. safety from war and curing a major disease) when these same people don't even trust God for the insignificant things?

Of course, the grill challenge is wrong because there's a possibility that things may not turn out at 7thangel hopes! The only acceptable challenges are those in which all outcomes support the existence of the Christian God. For example, prayer: if the thing that's prayed for comes to pass, it's proof that God exists. Praise be! If the thing that's prayed for does not come to pass, that's not because the prayer wasn't answered--it's because the answer is "not yet." Praise be! Of course, even though the "prayer test" works for the Christian god, it mysteriously doesn't work for other gods.

Fiach · 03-25-2003, 07:26 PM

What is the bloody challenge? Is it to prove or disprove Christian Magical Healing versus scientific medicine, Magic versus natural remissions, or Christian Magical healing versus Native American Magical healing?

Fiach

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Fiach Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Scotland, UK Posts: 602	7th Angel What is the bloody challenge? Is it to prove or disprove Christian Magical Healing versus scientific medicine, Magic versus natural remissions, or Christian Magical healing versus Native American Magical healing? Fiach

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03-25-2003, 03:12 AM	#63
keyser_soze Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: god's judge (pariah) Posts: 1,281	Well, I for one accept the nestea challenge! I will have two grills going in my back yard tomorrow no less(I'm already cooking out..so not biggie)! 7th, do you think he can outdo my god of the lighter? I will give him from 9am when the grills go out in the yard until tomorrow at 3 when I start the cooking. If he doesn't light either of them, then I am going to have to continue my subservience to the great IPU.

03-25-2003, 05:43 AM	#64
happyboy Regular Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: on the border between here and there, WV Posts: 373	how is the backyard grill experiment any different from elijah's situation, 7th? God's people are walking away from Him, falling into sin. they mock His name, they deny His existence, and they ridicule any who follow Him. sounds a lot like elijah's time to me. so, 7th: put up or shut up. a very disgusted happyboy

03-25-2003, 10:19 AM	#66
7thangel Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Queens Village, NY Posts: 613	Let us set up a challenge, and I want all moderators to be involved.

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