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Old 04-22-2003, 05:52 PM   #411
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And how, if the grievance isn't aired, can we do anything about it?
From what I've read in the grievances thread, I doubt you can do anything about it. Erwin obviously doesn't give a toss.

Actually, I found trying to read his posts - and some others - to be very difficult. So many damned animated gifs jumping around out of the corners of my eyes! It felt like trying to read a snake oil salesman's body language; so much jumping around, sleights of hand and distracting stimulii to focus on the body of the text.

Ah, well. That's religion for you - all smoke and mirrors - trussed up to make it look shiny, happy and fun - but beneath it is nothing. Pulp. As they say down here in the colonies - "shiny on top, shitty underneath". No surprises there. Heh. And they talk about moral fibre. LOL! I think there are more atheists who are more Christ-like in there lives and worldviews than many Christians. Oh, the irony.
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Old 04-22-2003, 05:55 PM   #412
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His remarks about atheists were so out of line. You know, the "Atheists have no morals" bullshit.
My feeling is that those christians who happen to be moral achieve that in spite of the handicap of being christian.
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I was told that my abortion for an ectopic pregnancy was sinful and I would have to answer to God.
Seriously?

I mean, there is absolutely no hope of such a thing coming to term. At best, it might die and be resorbed; at the worst, it is an extremely painful, unpleasant death for the mother. The logic of their argument completely escapes me.

Do these same people also argue that tumors ought not to be removed?
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Reposted because I was logged in as my husband. eek.. sorry -- shit, I almost did it again!!!
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Shabby Chick from CF Outcast Part I
I agree, Seebs! I don't understand (or maybe I do) how they cannot see how one-sided the moderating often is. Personally, I think it would be a good idea to have non-theist mods in the forums that allow non-theist posts. But hey, I guess I'm a little biased, huh?
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Currently, IIDB does not allow theists of any stripe to participate as moderators while it allows theists to post. Do you think that the moderation on IIDB is one-sided because theists post and are not allowed to be represented as moderators? Do you think that your "good idea" cuts both ways, and that it would be an equally good idea to have theist mods on a non-theist board (within limits, of course, in both situations)? Or do you simply support non-theists mods on CF because you feel that non-theists are more fair/intelligent/superior so they would obviously be better mods?

Would you seriously support a theistic moderator for say, Political Discussions, on IIDB (if in a position to support, ofc)? Why or why not? If no, would you support a non-theist mod for CF's News and Current Events forum? If yes, what's the difference?

What's good for the goose is good for the gander, in my book.

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*I* have no compaints about the moderation of II nor have I been subject to reading many complaints (maybe I'm not reading the bugs forum enough?). If I felt the II mods were unfairly banning/censoring theists and deleting their posts in what seems an arbitrary manner, then yes, I would support theists mods on II if it seemed to be a solution to the problem. However, in my opinion, the moderating on CF is one-sided (unfair), (through personal experience, through posts made in thes thread and other experiences) thus my proposal that *I* think CF would benefit from a few non-theist (or perhaps non-christian) mods.


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Or do you simply support non-theists mods on CF because you feel that non-theists are more fair/intelligent/superior so they would obviously be better mods?
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I'm not sure how you read this into my post, but I certainly don't think I implied it, but if I did, I didn't mean to.
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Old 04-22-2003, 06:03 PM   #414
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I have no complaints on theist treatment on IIDB either, and my post was probably too harsh. I was commenting on the ~non-theists participate so they should be mods and that would automatically make things fair~ vibe I felt from your/Shabby Chick's post and I wondered if you felt turn and turnabout was fair play here.

Sorry, I get reaallly wound up once I get started down the path that atheists are automatically superior because of their non-belief. It's infuriating to see that espoused here sometimes, especially when out of the other side of people's mouths they are complaining about Christians acting superior because of their beliefs. So, when I considered this to be a possible response of yours, my fangs came out. Sorry, sometimes I'm a real nut.

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Old 04-22-2003, 06:08 PM   #415
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Amie, I just read a message from Bear that he inadvertantly deleted your message, he has since moved it to "fellowship court".
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I have no complaints on theist treatment on IIDB either, and my post was probably too harsh.

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Tibac,

Just wanted to make sure that you realize that I am not Mortalwombat. He's my husband and the computer was logged on as him when I posted, so please don't take anything *I* said under his name as anything *HE* might say.

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Old 04-22-2003, 06:13 PM   #417
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Fat chance. I have no intention of airing any grievances.
I'm not sure it will do much good.

I have gone out of my way on this thread not to say anything personal against the mods on CF but ONE of the mods posting there trashed a thread I was posting on. His remarks about atheists were so out of line. You know, the "Atheists have no morals" bullshit.
I simply explained to him that he was wrong, that I have many family members including a daughter who are atheists/agnostics.
He trashed the thread. After yelling, of course, and accusing me of purposefully disrupting the thread.

Many of the posts in this thread made it into Winace's, "Christians Say the Darndest Things."
The bullshit, the lies and the Christian arrogance were astounding.

http://www.christianforums.com/showt...986#post729986

I was told that my abortion for an ectopic pregnancy was sinful and I would have to answer to God.
These are people who have no concept of an abortion due to a medical emergency.
Nothing was done about the attacks against me AND against all women who have had a medical emergency due to pregnancy.
So Seebs, you're doing a great job on that thread but I think I'll stay out of it.
It just amazes me, with all the theads we've had on abortions, some of these people just don't GET IT.
I'm so angry right now. Such hypocrisy. I have to get offline. I can't handle this shit anymore.
You're a great person, Annabel. We all love you for it. Even though we're apparently incapable of such a thing.
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Old 04-22-2003, 06:16 PM   #418
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Regarding theist mods on IIDB, the Admins suggested it once. We were thinking of having a theist mod in the E/C forum. But we met a lot of resistence from people who had largely met with abuse on christian forums and who felt that they needed only nontheist mods here to feel secure.

So we canned the idea for the time being. No guarantee that we won't bring it up again in the future though
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Old 04-22-2003, 06:42 PM   #419
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Regarding theist mods on IIDB, the Admins suggested it once. We were thinking of having a theist mod in the E/C forum. But we met a lot of resistence from people who had largely met with abuse on christian forums and who felt that they needed only nontheist mods here to feel secure.

So we canned the idea for the time being. No guarantee that we won't bring it up again in the future though
And at least one of us will oppose the idea bitterly, and may also throw back the implied insult, that we oppose it out of insecurity, back at you.
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And at least one of us will oppose the idea bitterly, and may also throw back the implied insult, that we oppose it out of insecurity, back at you.
Let me put it another way. Most of the people that I recall opposing it opposed it because they had experienced too much bias against nontheist on other boards.

And quite a lot of them mentioned that IIDB was the only place that they felt safe from bias.
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