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fatherphil · 06-13-2003, 09:33 AM

stand on your principle and be proud of the fact that you occasionally use drugs. and if this company does not want to employ an occassional drug user then why work for such a backward organization?

Emily · 06-13-2003, 10:22 AM

well thanks you all. I really want this job, it pays very well. my dad is very good freinds with everyone that works there...I don't think he would be to happy if I lost the job do to failing a drug test. I'm not a heavy user or anything. I just smoke occasionally for fun, or to relax with freinds..personally I think alcohol is just as bad as cannibus..if not worse. the test I will be taking is a drug/alcohol test. how long does alcohol stay in your system before it is compleetly cleared out?

auto-da-fe · 06-13-2003, 10:38 AM

about 4 hours per drink

tribalbeeyatch · 06-13-2003, 10:56 AM

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Originally posted by Loren Pechtel
Actually, it's a sensible precaution for the companies these days.

The problem is that if you're the one company that doesn't drug-test you'll get all the druggies.

A casual user can simply abstain when job-hunting but an addict is going to flunk. It lets the companies avoid hiring the addicts.

That is stupid. If a drug user's drug use is harming his job performance, then he should be fired for his poor performance. If it isn't harming his job performance, then it obviously doesn't matter whether he is doing drugs or not. And let's not pretend that these drug tests are about not hiring "addicts". A crank or heroin addict isn't exactly hard to spot, and isn't going to last long at his new job if he can manage to hold it together for an interview. Far and away, these tests are used to exclude marijuana smokers (no matter how responsible) and poppy seed bagel eaters.

For some reason I can get licensed by the DEA to legally purchase Schedule I drugs without ever having to submit to this indignity, but I can't bag groceries at Albertson's or wait tables at Appleebee's or stock shelves at BestBuy? I will never submit to a drug test, even though I don't do drugs. Funny story for you, I had a CV in at Abbott Laboratories (they manufacture most of the drug test kits that are used in the US), and after a phone interview they wanted to schedule an in-person interview and drug test for me. I told them in no uncertain terms that I wouldn't take a drug test, and they told me that THEY WOULD WAVE MY TEST if it mattered that much to me.

Loren Pechtel · 06-13-2003, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by tribalbeeyatch
That is stupid. If a drug user's drug use is harming his job performance, then he should be fired for his poor performance. If it isn't harming his job performance, then it obviously doesn't matter whether he is doing drugs or not. And let's not pretend that these drug tests are about not hiring "addicts". A crank or heroin addict isn't exactly hard to spot, and isn't going to last long at his new job if he can manage to hold it together for an interview. Far and away, these tests are used to exclude marijuana smokers (no matter how responsible) and poppy seed bagel eaters.

By the time you know it's harming his job performance you're probably facing a worker's comp claim.

The casual user can just abstain. Effectively the testing screens out the hardcore users and as such improves their workforce.

Godless Dave · 06-13-2003, 02:44 PM

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Originally posted by Loren Pechtel
The casual user can just abstain. Effectively the testing screens out the hardcore users and as such improves their workforce.

I think that's true to a certain extent. Except it only really screens out the hardcore pot users, because that drug is detectable for so long. Cocaine goes through the system so fast that a coke user would only have to abstain for a few days (IIRC). And since LSD can't be detected at all, someone who trips everyday would pass a drug test while someone who smoked weed two weeks ago would fail.

Also, you generally don't have a three week lead time.

And I can tell you from personal experience that being under the influence does not necessarily impair one's ability to bake or sell bagels.

tribalbeeyatch · 06-13-2003, 03:55 PM

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Originally posted by Loren Pechtel
By the time you know it's harming his job performance you're probably facing a worker's comp claim.

The casual user can just abstain. Effectively the testing screens out the hardcore users and as such improves their workforce.

Bullshit. The testing makes money for the people doing the testing but has no real effect on the workforce whatsoever. Workmen's comp claims? Puhleeze... Your credulity is showing.

Loren Pechtel · 06-13-2003, 06:58 PM

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Originally posted by tribalbeeyatch
Bullshit. The testing makes money for the people doing the testing but has no real effect on the workforce whatsoever. Workmen's comp claims? Puhleeze... Your credulity is showing.

Well, most of our employees are using power tools, sometimes very heavy power tools. I was around when the fool stuck two boards in the machine where he damn well knew only one should be stuck. The second came flying back out hard enough to break his hand.

tribalbeeyatch · 06-13-2003, 07:09 PM

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Originally posted by Loren Pechtel
Well, most of our employees are using power tools, sometimes very heavy power tools. I was around when the fool stuck two boards in the machine where he damn well knew only one should be stuck. The second came flying back out hard enough to break his hand.

??? What does that have to do with this topic?

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06-13-2003, 09:33 AM	#11
fatherphil Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: burbank Posts: 758	stand on your principle and be proud of the fact that you occasionally use drugs. and if this company does not want to employ an occassional drug user then why work for such a backward organization?

06-13-2003, 10:22 AM	#12
Emily Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 20	well thanks you all. I really want this job, it pays very well. my dad is very good freinds with everyone that works there...I don't think he would be to happy if I lost the job do to failing a drug test. I'm not a heavy user or anything. I just smoke occasionally for fun, or to relax with freinds..personally I think alcohol is just as bad as cannibus..if not worse. the test I will be taking is a drug/alcohol test. how long does alcohol stay in your system before it is compleetly cleared out?

06-13-2003, 10:38 AM	#13
auto-da-fe Veteran Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: edge of insanity Posts: 1,609	about 4 hours per drink

06-13-2003, 01:49 PM	#15
Loren Pechtel Obsessed Contributor Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Not Mayaned Posts: 96,752	Originally posted by tribalbeeyatch That is stupid. If a drug user's drug use is harming his job performance, then he should be fired for his poor performance. If it isn't harming his job performance, then it obviously doesn't matter whether he is doing drugs or not. And let's not pretend that these drug tests are about not hiring "addicts". A crank or heroin addict isn't exactly hard to spot, and isn't going to last long at his new job if he can manage to hold it together for an interview. Far and away, these tests are used to exclude marijuana smokers (no matter how responsible) and poppy seed bagel eaters. By the time you know it's harming his job performance you're probably facing a worker's comp claim. The casual user can just abstain. Effectively the testing screens out the hardcore users and as such improves their workforce.

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