Starboy

I view genesis as mythology. It was an attempt to use mythological constructs to explain what everyone understood from daily experience - life is hard and then you die. Sure that is so, but at least you are alive, so your life is both a joy and a curse. In the mythological explanation the curse is what resulted directly from the gift of life. Thus, in mythological terms, the moral dilemma of god is solved.

Now back to reality. The conditions of the OP have never taken place and are unlikely to ever take place. And in the impossible to unlikely event that it did take place, it is unlikely that the human participants would have any idea of what the consequences of their actions would be. The OP cannot be taken seriously in any way other than mythological terms.

As for the question regarding children, anyone who has had teenagers has probably asked themselves that question.

For your last question, Adam and Eve became mortal and had mortal offspring because Eve did not offer Adam the fruit from the tree of life. Again another mythological explanation for mankind’s age old plight, if Eve had chosen from the other tree, they may not be in Eden, but we would not be here either. So from a mythological point of view, lucky for us that Adam and Eve screwed up, lucky for us that Eve chose from the right tree and lucky for us that god punished them. We got the joy of life but we also got the curse of life as well.

The concept of life from birth to death and the morality of life killing life is a common theme in all mythologies and this is how Christianity happens to deal with it.

Starboy

ybnormal

Let me put it this way... I nominate the above for Post Of The Year!

I continue to be fascinated that regarding any subject other than this one of people's personal beliefs, folks here are allowed, if not expected to pin others down with simple questions. The only error in Kally's post is that unfortunately, rationalizing IS working, in favor of xians who are allowed to do it as just another dance routine.

Maybe some folks could free their minds enough to apply Kally's simple plea to just about any other discussion where someone tries to pin down most any xian with some simple logic and simple answers.

I have nothing personal against Wildernesse either, however W's asserting your superiority exit from Kally and the thread's simple question is all too similar to W's since I'm full of nonsense exit from my simple question last week. Sorry, Wildernesse, but IMO, doing that, instead of just answering simple questions leaves W open to charges that W denies, that, "...I'm not dancing around the original question, I don't think--"

Personally, I see all these diversions as more xian arrogance rather than innocence...
Wildernesse's first response?
My simple answer to the very simple question, without rationalizing, without rewriting Sapient's question, or without dancing around it?

NO!

Mad Kally

Here it is folks, my nomination for the 2nd best post of the year!

Ronin

I don't know Kally ~ I was just starting to get into the knee slapping two-step provided by the xians as they attempted to obfuscate their way through the blatantly obvious.

ROFL!!

Doubting Didymus

Why the anwer is obvious:

1) It is implied in the question that the suffering is definitely going to happen. In the adam and eve case, the apple is bit, and the suffering of the descendants is destined.
2) By any moral code worth its salt, the suffering of a descendant for the crime of its progenitor is senseless and wrong. We do not execute the sons of a criminal (anymore). This is plain common sense.
3) The conditions of the question give YOU the opportunity to prevent this suffering. You can extend a hand and remove the injustice.
4) NOTHING ELSE is implied in the question. You do not have to harm the original couple. You do not have to murder the billions of people (honestly). There are no stupid little clever catches to muddy the water. You can't rationalise your way out of it like that, because these things are not implied in the question!

Given these points, the answer is stupidy and blatantly obvious.

Example, on a smaller scale. You inherit a small country from your wealthy aunt. This country has laws that punish the entire villiage when one villager commits a crime. Do you remove the laws? What on earth would stop you?

Starboy

There would be no point asking this question unless the question was asked of god. If it were me, I would very much not want the suffering but unless there is something specific the questioner had in mind there is little to nothing that I can do that would not let it happen. It is a trick question.

Starboy

Amos

I voted "Yes" and owe an explantion.

The development of the conscious mind (Tree of Knowledge) is equal to the fall of man and it is upon this TOK that we built our ego identity wherein only suffering is possible (no pain or shame while under hypnosis). Our ego is good and without an ego we would still be lower animals without dominion as seen from our own ego identity (even peacocks have pride).

The infliction of pain and suffering upon ourselves and others is a direct result of our disharmony with our true identity wherein pain and suffering do not exist. This now means that when we see or feel pain and suffering we identify with our TOK wherein only we are sensitive towards pain and stand convicted to share in the delusion that proves our guilt (no guilt, pain or suffering in the Stoic conscience).



Here's another good reason:

After spending time with Eve,
Adam was walking in the Garden with God.
Adam told God how much the woman meant to him
and how blessed he was to have her.
Adam began to ask questions about her.

Adam: Lord, Eve is beautiful.
Why did you make her so beautiful?
God: So you will always want to look at her.

Adam: Lord, her skin is so soft.
Why did you make her skin so soft?
God: So you will always want to touch her.

Adam: She always smells so good.
Lord, why did you make her smell so good?
God: So you will always want to be near her.

Adam: That's wonderful Lord,
and I don't want to seem ungrateful,
but why did you make her so stupid?
God: So she would love you.

Mad Kally

Shall we dance Ronin?

Radorth

No the question is leading, missing reasonable options, and the above is a simplistic analogy which is simply wrong.

God does not punish "everybody" and he offers them advice and the means to avoid a great deal of suffering. If no one suffered, temporarily at least, no one would appreciate not suffering, nor would we learn to obey God.

At some point God will interfere to stop all suffering, and I suspect we will hear complaints about it from the same people who fault him now.

Rad

Mad Kally

Hurry Ronin, I'm dancing as fast as I can!!! LMAO