Mageth

Of course, a hundred years from now it is quite possible that Islam will be in the lead.

More like 25-50 years, if current trends hold, IIRC.

Abacus

You've probably heard that Islam is one of the fastest growing religions and that it will be the largest religion in the world before this century is over.

Magus55

Was referring to this. http://www.carm.org/questions/textualevidence.htm

And i wasn't referring to you Diana or Gregg blowing me off by not responding, just wasn't sure if you intended to respond. Sorry didn't mean to make it sound like that.

My remark to spaz was sincere though

Ah, but your claims are all based on presupposition to - you claim to know that the accounts of the Bible are myth and made up, you claim that the gospels weren't actually seeing what they saw. So how can you refute Christian evidence on pressuposition when you do the exact same thing?

Magus55

Shrug, not surprised - Biblical prophecy - Satan would lead the multitude of the world to lies and deception. That being Islam since most of the countries opposed to Israel and in Biblical prophecy are Islamic.

That and i don't believe in having another century worth of time. I;m Christian remember? I believe Jesus will be returning within the next decade or 2.

Spaz

Christians are the one making the claim that it happened, it is therefore their responsiblity to prove it. The evidence that something happened it needed to prove the claim. We claim that they didn't happen, which requires us to be shown proof, you can't prove a negative.

Magus55

From Gregg..
From Paul2...

GreggLD1

These are not presuppositions. These are conclusions based on modern Biblical scholarship.

Also, since the Bible is full of miracles, and we do not see comparable miracles happening today, why should we assume miracles happened in the past just because the Bible says so? Other holy books talk about gods and men performing magic and miracles. Are these accounts true? Was Herakles born from the union of Zeus and a human woman, Hera, for example?

Gregg

Magus55

Who says we don't see miracles today? I already today iv'e experienced a miracle in my own life that logic and science can't, and doctors talk about medical miracles all the time.

We just live in a very skeptic and sinful society who don't want miracles to be true, and if they are witnessed, skeptics just claim its coincidence.

There have been accounts of nurses and doctors seeing angels visit ill patients, or little kids who were severly beaten and abused carried miles to safety by angels.

Miracles happen everyday - you're just blind to them.

Asha'man

No, you are wrong about that. You think you understand us, but you haven’t even stopped to talk to us. You just jump in and attack.

I am an atheist because I studied the Bible as a believer. I found it loaded with absurdities, contradictions, and lies. I asked God for help, for support, for clarification, and received nothing. Eventually, I had no choice, I couldn’t make my emotional needs stronger than my desire for the truth.

I started with the presupposition that it was true, and it made no sense. When I took off my blinders, it was obviously false. There was simply no evidence at all, only emotional need.

Asha'man

Prove It