Biff the unclean

Not only are we related to primates, we are primates. We are even the most numerous species of primate.

As the saying goes "teach your children that we are descended from dust and they will treat people like dirt"

But the demeaning part is not your claim of descent from magic dust bunnies--that's only the stupid part.
The demeaning part is your hateful claim that man is "fallen" that everything that is wrong with the world is the result of people, every single last person, being no damned good. That's shear misanthropy with a liberal dose of self loathing thrown in for good measure, and it is a disgustingly sick attitude to hold.

winstonjen

Then I'll do it FOR you! [You're so naughty - Ed] Child gets tumour. Child suffers, child dies. Child gets tumour. Child suffers, child dies. Repeat ad nauseum or until said deity abolishes tumours [Probably ad nauseum - Ed]

You have to believe first, THEN it'll become evidence! [Oh no, the fundy disease is spreading - Ed]



I'm more interested in who-touched-who-where [You've gotten even worse! - Ed]

Biff the unclean

So explain this. If I reject every part of the Bible that disagrees with science, how can I remain Christian?
Science isn't some strange magical rite. It's nothing more than looking at reality objectively, reaching conclusions about how it works through observation and then testing these conclusions to make sure that they are correct.
In other words, it beats me how you could possibly be objective and remain a Christian.

Or are you claiming that science agrees with Jesus' ressurection and miracles?
Nope

I don't pick and choose which parts of the Bible i can accept and not just based on the worlds view.
No you twist it to fit your own views. We've watched you do it time and again. That's why what you call being a Christian is so very different from what most of the Christians in this world call being Christian.

God could have easily inspired Moses to write Genesis to reflect the current view of the universe, if thats what happened.
Which would mean that god knew what the universe was really like but lied to the authors of the bible. If He would lie about that which you can check why trust Him about things you cannot?

He had no reason to state the order of Creation the way it is, with it all taking 6 days if it wasn't true.
Which means that the person who wrote Genesis was completely unfamiliar with the workings of the universe. And that means that it isn't the word of god.

Sciences dealing with the origin of life, evolution and the age of the universe cannot be compatible with the Bible.
Because the guy who wrote the bible was ignorant of all of these facts.

Liberal Christians just don't want to believe that God intended Genesis to be real, because then they couldn't fit in with mainstream science.
Because what you call main stream science is nothing more than reality. For Genesis to be true it must match reality, and it doesn't. Genesis is wrong, and it is so wrong as to be humorous with the fantastic flights of fantasy it goes through. Were it written today you would have cause to doubt the authors sanity.

Liberals pick the parts of the Bible they like, that doesn't conflict with the worlds view, and discard everything else as false, uninspired or figurative.
And you pick the parts that reinforce your inferiority complex and the disdain you hold for mankind. As evidenced by your terming "reality" as "the world's view" as though there was something wrong with reality. You have traded the real world for a myth, and you've taken every part of that myth that is good and kind and thrown it away. And then you attack the decent folks who focus on the humanist goodly parts, calling them Liberals and claiming they don't understand because they aren't filled with the same hate and fear that you are.

And you wonder why you are mocked.

winstonjen

My new irony meter just exploded. That's two irony meters you owe me for now, Magus.

wade-w

Once again, we see a thread hopelessly derailed. Let's at least try to get back on topic, shall we?

Alan N

I think god is good and evil. He must be the source of everything, or else there are 'somethings' which he has not created.

John 1-3 : In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him. nothing was made that was made [emphasis mine].

So either god made evil through jesus, or if evil was not made, god/jesus/holy spirit must be evil, since they would be the only 'things' not made through jesus.

Amos

But nothing that exists can be evil in itself. Evil only exists in our conscious mind which is the tree of life and is the only place where we can judge between what we think is good and evil.

Alan N

Are you saying that we determine what is good and evil?

wordsmyth

The standard apologetics response to the PoE is usually the claim that Evil must exist for freewill to exist. Humans must be capable of choosing to either do good or do evil. To have the freewill to choose to do good or do evil requires one to have full knowledge of what is good and what is evil. Without that knowledge every action is just a crap shoot.

Therefore, since Adam and Eve did not have full knowledge of what is good and what is evil before they ate from the Tree, by the same argument used for the PoE, they did not have freewill in their choice to eat or not eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

Zucco

Satan is not mentioned before god places the tree of knowledge in the garden, and Adam & Eve needed that tree to commit their "sin." Again I ask, how did pre-tree evil exist?

We're talking six days here, right? Everything created in six days, everything good. Does the Bible just omit the creation of evil? Or did we get the abridged version of the good book?