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Biff the unclean · 08-08-2003, 01:34 PM

I have neither glorified the barbaric nor claimed to have known better.
You have glorified it by calling it "justice" And I fully understand that you don't know any better--that is the source of the frustration you see in this thread.
What you call rants are actually satires. Satires aimed at enlightening you through humor. The hope is that you will see that your personal moral standards are higher than those express by the god character in the novel Genesis

Amaranth · 08-08-2003, 01:43 PM

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What you again! I thought I lost you in the last confrontation.

Actually, you seem to have run away from our last discussion about 5 pages ago. You were rambling on about everything being god, and then things that were not god, or some other such illogic.

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What's this bible you are reading?

KJV

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What year was that?

Cover to cover? About 7 years ago. Last read parts of it? Today.

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God walking on the Earth? Well generally this must point to some exception to the rule, seeing the rule seems to be to not persist as a constant director of the scenes.

An irrelevent point. That such exceptions exist shows that god is willing to intervene and directly change mortal circumstances and disposition.

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Don't you agree? My position is not that out of place at all if you think about it. The people generally were in a bad shape, check your bible, this should add up to my position. yeh.

Still irrelevent. If you would like to make a case for something that is a bigger crisis than the apple in the garden, go ahead and try.

Regardless, the point stands - God can and will, according to the bible, intervene directly. That he did not do so in the case of A&E in the garden is suspect.

sophie · 08-08-2003, 02:54 PM

Amaranth :

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You were rambling on about everything being god, and then things that were not god, or some other such illogic.

I would'nt quite echo your sentiments seeing I quit the interaction when you stumbled onto the correct logical conclusion. Which was from nothing which agrees with current scientific thinking. I may be a little foward to suggest from nothing (godly).

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An irrelevent point. That such exceptions exist shows that god is willing to intervene and directly change mortal circumstances and disposition

Why are all my points irrelevant? There again, you seem to know omniGOD was willing to intervene. How do you know this? OmniGOD could as well have been unwilling to intervene. Is'nt this some sort of blasphemy.

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Regardless, the point stands - God can and will, according to the bible, intervene directly. That he did not do so in the case of A&E in the garden is suspect.

Now you are on firmer ground. Remember one event preceeded the other. The precedent set was surely non-intervention (even by your logic).

sophie · 08-08-2003, 03:00 PM

Biff the unclean :

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You have glorified it by calling it "justice"

Justice seems necessary in conscious interactions. I would not say I glorify Justice since justice implies some form or wrongdoing or another. I accept justice as a necessary side element to our reality. To say I glorify justice and its antecedents would be pushing the envelope quite a bit.

Now envelope pushing is quite another affair.

BadBadBad · 08-08-2003, 03:48 PM

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Originally posted by sophie
brettc : It's good to rant some times, it lets the frustration out, so you yourself don't axe the tree. yeh

This isn't a rant Sophie. It's ridicule. Yours and Magus arguments are ridiculous. We have illustrated that numerous times. You keep repeating them, and now we have all made a joke out of how ridiculous they are.

BadBadBad · 08-08-2003, 03:53 PM

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Originally posted by sophie
Amaranth : What's this bible you are reading? What year was that? God walking on the Earth? Well generally this must point to some exception to the rule, seeing the rule seems to be to not persist as a constant director of the scenes. Don't you agree? My position is not that out of place at all if you think about it. The people generally were in a bad shape, check your bible, this should add up to my position. yeh.

Which Bible are you reading Sophie? You do have a Bible don't you? I've asked you that before when you denied that God told A&E that they would surely die if they ate from the tree. Do you have a Bible, and have you read any of it?

Biff the unclean · 08-08-2003, 03:55 PM

Justice seems necessary in conscious interactions.
That makes no sense

I would not say I glorify Justice since justice implies some form or wrongdoing or another.
No one said you glorified justice. I said you glorified barbaric behavior in the A&E story by wrongly terming it as "justice'

I accept justice as a necessary side element to our reality.
If you support the validity of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good & Evil story then you spit in the eye of justice and human dignity and you support tyranny.

sophie · 08-08-2003, 03:58 PM

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This isn't a rant Sophie. It's ridicule.

Sorry you had to take it that way.

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Yours and Magus arguments are ridiculous.

Why do you place me so close to your objections. I am not Magus. The quality of my arguments must surely differ in their flavour

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We have illustrated that numerous times.

Let me rephrase that. You have tried to illustrate your points numerous times, but you have also failed to illustrate how the heck did you come to know omniGOD's mind.

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You keep repeating them, and now we have all made a joke out of how ridiculous they are.

I keep repeating you have made no incursions into my reason.

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. . . now we have all made a joke out of how ridiculous they are.

I have had quite a few laughs myself.

sophie · 08-08-2003, 04:08 PM

Biff the unclean :

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No one said you glorified justice. I said you glorified barbaric behavior in the A&E story by wrongly terming it as "justice'

That is not what I alluded to when I said justice. I was speaking about who has to burn - has to burn this was in relation to hell, not Adam and Eve. I never said the results of the Adam and Eve story was justice. You misrepresent my intentions.

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If you support the validity of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good & Evil story then you spit in the eye of justice and human dignity and you support tyranny.

When was this ever brought to light?

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Justice seems necessary in conscious interactions.
That makes no sense

I cannot help you with this one.

sophie · 08-08-2003, 04:12 PM

brettc :

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Which Bible are you reading Sophie? You do have a Bible don't you? I've asked you that before when you denied that God told A&E that they would surely die if they ate from the tree. Do you have a Bible, and have you read any of it?

I had a bible but someone stole it. I thought that was quite disgusting. I had that bible for 27 years. I did not deny it, I wrote that I had heard another version. I read enough of it. Why all the questions? You don't like my points?

Sure they would die, are'nt we all dying? Isn't death bound up in life? Who are you trying to kid?

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08-08-2003, 01:34 PM	#131
Biff the unclean Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: an inaccessible island fortress Posts: 10,638	I have neither glorified the barbaric nor claimed to have known better. You have glorified it by calling it "justice" And I fully understand that you don't know any better--that is the source of the frustration you see in this thread. What you call rants are actually satires. Satires aimed at enlightening you through humor. The hope is that you will see that your personal moral standards are higher than those express by the god character in the novel Genesis

08-08-2003, 03:55 PM	#137
Biff the unclean Banned Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: an inaccessible island fortress Posts: 10,638	Justice seems necessary in conscious interactions. That makes no sense I would not say I glorify Justice since justice implies some form or wrongdoing or another. No one said you glorified justice. I said you glorified barbaric behavior in the A&E story by wrongly terming it as "justice' I accept justice as a necessary side element to our reality. If you support the validity of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good & Evil story then you spit in the eye of justice and human dignity and you support tyranny.

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