dk

1 of n, The Context
dk: You didn’t ask? You should have asked how does the “Gay Rights Movement” market their agenda through the social sciences, sex education and multicultural ethics? Then I would have been obliged to answer. Instead you blustered on and on about a bunch of nonsense. I did leave you with a challenge, to which you never responded. I still don’t have a clue what you’re ranting on about.
Jinto: Begging the question: You first have to establish that the Gay Rights Movement does in fact market their agenda through SS, SE, and MCE; then the question will make sense. Equivication (implied): Your entire argument has been about marketing "gay culture." Gay culture != gay rights. IWoWI: You are again refusing to pay attention to what I am arguing here. And frankly, your "challenge" is a red herring, and I suspect a setup for an ad hominem against gay leaders. (Your argument (anticipated): PP is involved in some scandals (most national organizations are), gay leaders tend to support PP, therefore gay leaders support these scandals (non sequitur), therefore gay leaders are wrong (ad hominem)).
dk: Gay associations and Planned Parenthood drink from the same well and walk lock step to the same political score. The basic primeses…

1. cultural relativism, “make love not war”, battle cry, “all we are asking is give Peace a chance.”
2. sexual gratification is the birthright of every human being.
3. sex education through reproductive technology makes sex safe, and every child a wanted child

I don’t know who the acronyms SS, SE and MCE represent, so I can’t comment. The Planned Parenthood champions the technology that makes sex safe, and every child a wanted child. Gay Rights Movement champions non-judgmental rights, and sexual liberty for all.

Lets review the latter half of the 20th Century for context. In 1940 the elites of government, academia, finance, industry, labor, farmers, media and the military went to Washington. They all formed a bureaucracy to run the war machine that waged WW II. After WW II was won nobody left Washington, but locked hands to “Win the Peace” with the same directed effort that won the war. Universities expanded a 1,000 fold in size and influence in twenty years on the GI Bill of Rights, and the social sciences became the spearhead of a new battle cry “win the peace”. The war bureaucracy turned peacenik was split into two camps by the Cold War and McCarthyism. The social scientists, labor and the media became the heart of the new reform Democrat Party, and the military, farmers and manufacturers became the core of the modern Republican Party. Both Planned Parenthood and the Gay Rights Movement rode the same wave into the 21st Century. That’s what happened, and that’s what it is, there is no grand conspiracy, just the momentum of history moving forward to build a bridge into the future. It would be impossible for Planned Parenthood and Gay Activists to be anything but allies because they share the same vision of the future.
dk: And you are quite aware of the existence of gay culture, gay leadership and the agenda of the gay rights movement.
dk: I’ve provided the context. First: Planned Parenthood in the 1950s went to Puerto Rico for access to poor women they could use for lab rats, then systematically manipulated the data to yield the desired results. After gaining approval from the FDA they marketed the hormones, called Enovid, as a snake oil cure for all “female problems” with MDs from the glory days of the US Eugenics Movement.. Second: They marketed the pill, or Enovid, to University Campuses as a means of voluntary population control, to defuse the population bomb. AND They provided the Radical Feminist Movement a means to liberate women from the bloody reproductive cycle. Fourth: They went to the courts for reproductive rights and got penumbra privacy rights from the shadows of the constitutional text, Griswold. Fifth: After the pill proved unreliable, with horrible side effects from massive doses of hormones, they went back to courts for Abortions Rights with 10s of thousands of pregnant college co-eds in toe. In Roe the Supreme Court gave them Abortion Rights to backstop the pill. Sixth: They sympathized the whole scandalous mess on Capital Hill for Sex Educations Programs in the public schools, k1-k12, and road the Sexual Revolution and Great Society to find a prominent position with the Democratic Party, Republican Party, national teachers unions, women’s studies, civil libertarians, academic elites, and education. That’s the story and the context.

The Gay Rights Movement has walked lock step down the same prime rose path sympathized by Planned Parenthood. Metaphorically speaking Planned Parenthood provided the birth canal for the Sexual Revolution and the Gay Rights Movement.

Clutch

It took you this long? I mean, yguy wears his Non-Sequitur Spam-Bot credentials on his sleeve, but dk is the king of "Because it's Tuesday, that's why!"

I guess you missed dk's classic moment months ago when he regurgitated a mass of unrelated causes and effects for an earlier version of his Theory of the Moral Decline of America. (This latest dog's breakfast is only his most recent installment.) Casually lumped with the list of Causes of Crime, Adultery and Evil was... logical positivism!

Yep, turns out those kids boosting car stereos have been secretly reading Carnap's Aufbau; the idea that scientific statements are truth-functions of a base class of similarity judgements sends them into an orgy of thievery!

It really is Cargo Cult debate. dk figures that if he sporadically quotes someone else's post to interleaven his own ramblings, then he's debating. My friendly advice is: Don't waste your time.

Jinto

Excuse me for being an optimist*.

I've only been around since the 18th of March, so yeah, I probably did. He really said that?

*optimist (n) 1. Someone who is too stubborn to recognize the concept of futility.

Clutch

Read and believe!

Or don't, since I suppose you already believe. Anyhow, the wonderfully lucid reasoning in question was this:
Look familiar?!

Jinto

Ouch. That's about a 9.5 on my dumb-shit-o-meter. :boohoo:

dk

In 1960 public education was the crowned jewel of the Great Society. Today, most public schools are policed by armed guards, metal detectors, and no tolerance policies. Last week a 12 year old got suspended for a week from school for criticizing a referee's call yelling, "gay call". Last summer two 8 year olds playing cops and robbers got arrested, and hauled away in cuffs. Truth stranger than fiction. Truth stranger than fiction.

My most extravagant exaggerated rhetoric merely approaches the absurdities of real life without prejudice. hehehehehe

Salmon of Doubt

It looks like you overlooked my question again, dk. I'm sorry, would it help you see it if I typed things bigger?

I would like to know your opinions on lesbians. Do they destroy familes by having children? Is lesbian sex moral because it involves sodomy less often than male gay sex or heterosexual sex?Do lesbians deserve the right to marry? So far you have been silent on the subject, and I (for some reason) would be interested in hearing what you have to say.

Bill Snedden

Maybe there aren't that many carbs in semen. Perhaps even Dr. Atkins might have approved of MSM...

I've been composing replies to both dk and yguy in my head for the last couple of days, but I've decided not to bother. My time is simply too valuable and the task of disabusing them of their pet notions apparently hopeless.

Regards,

Bill Snedden

yguy

Dr Rick

Most male homophobes simply do not feel as threatened by lesbians as they are by other men, particularly gay ones.

There are good studies correlating male gender issues with homophobia including latent homosexuality, gender self-discrepancy (how well males think they fit cultural expectations of how they should act as a man), attribute importance (perceived importance of possessing masculine attributes), and self-esteem; lesbianism is usually not as great a threat to the defense mechanisms male homophobes typically employ as much as male homosexuality is.

Rick