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Autonemesis · 07-10-2002, 11:26 AM

The World Socialist Web Site <a href="http://wsws.org/articles/2002/jul2002/newd-j10.shtml" target="_blank">defended Newdow</a> in today's edition. You will probably enjoy it.

Toto · 07-10-2002, 12:10 PM

Well, that should help the public image of atheists - to be defended by the Fourth International (or by whatever minor Trotskyite sect puts up that web page.)

But it is a good article, especially if you are amused by dogmatic Marxist rhetoric and liberal-bashing:

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Fascist-minded Christian fundamentalists are the dominant political force in the Republican Party. President Bush, in a comment that was remarkably ignorant, even for him, ...

The Democratic Party also bows to these reactionary prejudices. ...

The most prominent liberal lobbying groups were prostrate before the prevailing Bible-thumping. A spokesman for the American Civil Liberties Union called the court�s decision �correct,� while �hastening to add that the ACLU had nothing to do with the lawsuit,� according to the Washington Post. Ralph G. Neas, head of People for the American Way, portrayed the decision as a backdoor attempt by the Republicans to �get traction and make this an issue.� They can�t, he argued, �because everyone agrees. The decision was wrong and it will be overturned.�

Krieger · 07-10-2002, 01:00 PM

The Communist Party's newspaper, People's World Weekly, also has <a href="http://www.pww.org/article/articleview/1523/1/97/" target="_blank">an article supporting the pledge ruling</a>.

Enjoy.

Corwin · 07-10-2002, 01:05 PM

*gags*

I guess we can't really count on support from any of our traditional allies. I expect less from the ACLU now than I did 10 years ago.... they've become a lot more conservative. (In the 'not taking risks' sense rather than the 'biblethumping politician' sense...) But again.... dammit I expect more from PFAW.

hezekiah jones · 07-10-2002, 02:03 PM

Ralph Neas said the decision was wrong? I thought I saw him on the tube defending it. I guess I can't keep my talking heads straight anymore (except there was a big difference between Remain In Light and More Songs About Buildings And Food,IIRC).

Toto · 07-10-2002, 02:32 PM

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Originally posted by hezekiah jones:
<strong>Ralph Neas said the decision was wrong? I thought I saw him on the tube defending it. ...</strong>

I suspect he wanted to say it was wrong of the Republicans to try to make an issue of it, because the decision will be overturned. Which is not an uncommon opinion among people who have to live in the real world.

So the CPUSA also supports the ruling? It's doomed.

From that article in "People's World Weekly":

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How about another change � a compromise? Why not, �one nation, under a power far greater than myself, indivisible �� like out of AA? I always thought after Sept. 11 we didn�t need to go to war � what the country really needed was one big group therapy session.

Between the cults of Christianity and Marxism-Leninism, there's not a lot to choose from.

Krieger · 07-10-2002, 02:51 PM

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Between the cults of Christianity and Marxism-Leninism...

They aren't any different than the "cult" of extreme capitalism.

Secular Elation · 07-10-2002, 03:06 PM

Oh great, Communist and Socialist endorsement. Now, the theists will definitely be more inclined to associate this sort of thing with Stalin.

Krieger · 07-10-2002, 03:31 PM

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Originally posted by Secular Elation:
<strong>Oh great, Communist and Socialist endorsement. Now, the theists will definitely be more inclined to associate this sort of thing with Stalin.</strong>

How many fundies do you think sit around reading socialist newspapers? You talk about the PWW like its CNN, lol.

Btw, the Libertarian Party also endorsed the pledge ruling.

Krieger · 07-12-2002, 02:15 PM

Here are two more articles in support of the pledge ruling from Common Dreams, a progressive group that Ralph Nader writes for sometimes.

<a href="http://commondreams.org/views02/0708-01.htm" target="_blank">http://commondreams.org/views02/0708-01.htm</a>

<a href="http://commondreams.org/views02/0707-02.htm" target="_blank">http://commondreams.org/views02/0707-02.htm</a>

07-10-2002, 11:26 AM	#1
Autonemesis Contributor Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: I've left FRDB for good, due to new WI&P policy Posts: 12,048	WSWS weighs in on Pledge ruling The World Socialist Web Site <a href="http://wsws.org/articles/2002/jul2002/newd-j10.shtml" target="_blank">defended Newdow</a> in today's edition. You will probably enjoy it.

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07-10-2002, 01:00 PM	#3
Krieger Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: ... Posts: 2,191	The Communist Party's newspaper, People's World Weekly, also has <a href="http://www.pww.org/article/articleview/1523/1/97/" target="_blank">an article supporting the pledge ruling</a>. Enjoy.

07-10-2002, 01:05 PM	#4
Corwin Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 4,369	gags I guess we can't really count on support from any of our traditional allies. I expect less from the ACLU now than I did 10 years ago.... they've become a lot more conservative. (In the 'not taking risks' sense rather than the 'biblethumping politician' sense...) But again.... dammit I expect more from PFAW.

07-10-2002, 02:03 PM	#5
hezekiah jones Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: WI Posts: 4,357	Ralph Neas said the decision was wrong? I thought I saw him on the tube defending it. I guess I can't keep my talking heads straight anymore (except there was a big difference between Remain In Light and More Songs About Buildings And Food,IIRC).

07-10-2002, 03:06 PM	#8
Secular Elation Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: California Posts: 6,196	Oh great, Communist and Socialist endorsement. Now, the theists will definitely be more inclined to associate this sort of thing with Stalin.

07-12-2002, 02:15 PM	#10
Krieger Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: ... Posts: 2,191	Here are two more articles in support of the pledge ruling from Common Dreams, a progressive group that Ralph Nader writes for sometimes. <a href="http://commondreams.org/views02/0708-01.htm" target="_blank">http://commondreams.org/views02/0708-01.htm</a> <a href="http://commondreams.org/views02/0707-02.htm" target="_blank">http://commondreams.org/views02/0707-02.htm</a>

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