Douglas J. Bender

Hogwash. Besides, I am speaking theoretically, not from the perspective of "Well, which theist system is correct?". That is, beyond the issue of knowing which system is correct or not (and getting into the issue of how this could be known, which I and all true Christians claim is absolutely capable of being done), the only way to have a truly objective moral system is if it is established, "universally", by one "agent" (or single-minded, always united in mind and heart, "agents"). But just answer my above questions, rather than avoiding them and trying to shift the issue, okay?

All levels of subjectivity, since that system, if the Being is determined objectively and correctly, is the correct One. And such a Being would have the innate right to determine what is "moral", everything having its origin in that Being.

"Permutation invariant" - care to define that term, in the context of "objective moral systems", and how the "Golden Rule" would be fit this description, and why an "objective moral system" must be "permutation invariant"?

Baloney, or a lie. But answer the question, at least for once, okee-dokee?

If the actual god turned out to be Huitzilopchtli, and the god Huitzilopchtli "sanctioned" human sacrifices, then, yes, they would be "moral". Thank God that God is God, and that there is no possibility of another being God. Now, answer my question, since it is quite possible that Germany could have won the war, and done all I said.

Yes, it would, and does. The apparent reason God chose to do so is because He knew that the children would learn (the adoptive parents could not lie, lying being prohibited by God) that Israel had killed all their parents and relatives, and Satan would have stirred them to rebellion, and their souls likely would have been lost for eternity. Therefore, in order to spare them the consequences of their parents' actions (which were beyond their control), and to spare them from in probably all cases certain rebellion against God as they grew, God chose to have them die in their youth, rather than when they were older, and could thus allow them into Heaven, since it is apparently taught or implied in the Bible that children who die before the "age of accountability" (before they consciously know right from wrong) go to Heaven. Now, answer my question, since you have avoided answering ANY of them.

In Christ,

Douglas

Godless Sodomite

So Jesus communicates to Douglas in the same manner as a kidnapper writing a ransom note. Or am I missing something? At least we know it's the same god who "comes as a theif in the night."

-Jerry

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Douglas J. Bender

"Kind" Bud,


Cease calling me a liar, or I will have cause to accuse you of slander. And if you can't read very well, take some lessons before engaging in a discussion forum.


In Christ,

Douglas

Douglas J. Bender

Godless Sodomite,

(Figures.)

Well, I guess it says something that this is the first or only comparison that comes to your mind. I can think of: "...as a lover writing a love note"; "...as an Employer writing a memo"; "...as a friend leaving a word of encouragement"; etcetera. And, Jesus has communicated to me via dreams, visions, and essentially verbally, as well as through "notes". Honestly and seriously. Though I imagine this pearl will be trampled upon by the denizens here, as the others have been.


In Christ,

Douglas

Godless Sodomite

Friends and lovers rarely, if ever, go about using newspaper clippings to string words together in the form of cryptic notes. Those cut-and-paste jobs are usually regarded as the domain of criminals who are masking their identity.

-Jerry

Autonemesis

I'm shaking in my boots. Liar.

Betcha can't resist replying.

Ryanfire

Douglas, you're a psychology case and a half.

Why must you make up this apparent "atheist" attitude in order to get your point across?
Excuses are for the weak. You're not weak now are you Douglas?

How does an atheist take on a theists behaviour to get his point across? Oh I know.. god told me Douglas J Bender is a waste of existence. I burned a newspaper to confirm it, and to my surprise it stated that you indeed were a waste of existence. Only proving god's majesty

You have an indentity crises. Seek help.

Douglas J. Bender

Zippy,

Seriously, yes I can.

Hooey, I'm afraid. That's quite a bit of faith you've got there in your intuition regarding probabilities. Would you care to do a rigorous probability analysis of your claim, and prove your assertion (I can assure you, those here would expect nothing less of me)?

Probably. So?

Aha!! I've already succeeded in causing you to become a lapsed Atheist. With some time, I'll get you to be a borderline theist, and then the sky's the limit.

Hey, I'd never thought of that. You're right - why should I settle for a stinking burned-out piece of newspaper, when God could have sent a multitude of angels, blowing trumpets? Or at least He could have sent the angel Gabriel to tell me in person. Sheeeesh - what does He think I am, anyway, just some ordinary Christian seeking to serve Him the best I can? (Sarcasm - I'm not implying that I'm anything more than an ordinary Christian seeking to serve God the best I can.)


In Christ,

Douglas

Douglas J. Bender

"Kind" Bud,


You've slandered me. Get your jollies somewhere else.

In Christ,

Douglas

Douglas J. Bender

Godless Sodomite,

Well, I wasn't aware that it was against some kind of rule for friends or lovers to use newspaper clippings to send notes. Guess I'm behind the times. Plus, there was no "cutting and pasting" involved - it was a continuous piece of newspaper, and I've seen notes which consisted of "continuous" segments from a newspaper, if it was particularly relevant. Still, I wasn't aware of that fact regarding criminals - thanks for sharing your expert knowledge and/or experience.




In Christ,

Douglas