JamesKrieger

Like this one?

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...books&n=507846

Evangelion

No, I mean that Holocaust affirmation (ie, the claim that the Holocaust did happen) goes hand in hand with Christianity. The average Christian will support (as opposed to denying) the Jewish accounts of the Holocaust.

Well, duh.

nogods4me

OK. Hey historians...there is no evidence that:

There was a global flood
That the universe was created in it's entirety 6 thousand years ago
that humans were created and did not evolve
that the sun stopped in the sky for a day
that Jesus (if he existed at all) was the son of god, that he was crucifed and rose from the dead
that the jews were enslaved by egypt and released afted god visited plagues upon egypt
that people can rise from the dead
that virgins can give birth
and as Yul Brynner would say: etcetera, etcetera, etcetera

Now your turn, of the claims made in the Bible, which have any historical evidence?

Evangelion

Your sort of person probably wouldn't.

On the contrary, I think you would find that many (if not most) of them are atheists.

That is a very small, very extreme example of radical Christianity. It is the exception to the norm, and thereby proves the rule.

livius drusus

Most Holocaust deniers are fascist or nazi ideologues. Some of them are "very extreme example[s] of radical Christianity" (such as the Christian Identity types). The ones that claim to be scholarly (ie, the two links FPY provided), make no reference to their religion whatsoever.

Evangelion

Well then. The original generalisation is therefore unfounded.

Thankyou for proving the point.

joedad

Just to be a bit of a headbanger, if [when talking about christianity] the exception proves the rule, and if the norm also proves the rule, what exactly is the rule and what would constitute disproof of same?

joe

Evangelion

In the present context, the "rule" is defined as the fact that the majority of Christians (a) support the Jewish claim to their land, (b) usually advance some form of Biblical evidence as proof of same, and (c) agree that the Holocaust definitely occurred.

I think you will find that those Christians who deny the Holocaust are definitely members of the minority position.

nogods4me

A) Please provide evidence of your claim of the atheism of the deniers. All the literature I have seen ties "holocaust denial" into a grand conspiracy theory concerning zionism and on occaision the impure races and how they are trying to take the country and the world away from the worthy and god loving white man.

B) of course it is a small example. holocaust deniers themselves are a small but vocal group

C) exceptions do not prove rules, they invalidate them. It cannot be a rule if there are exceptions to it.

livius drusus

Correct. nogods4me's generalization about denier christianity was as erroneous as yours about denier atheism. Then again, I'm sure you chose that deliberate provocation as a means of supporting your point.

It was my pleasure, and remarkably easy to do even without drawing a single conclusion on the sort of person you are.