Dargo

This is probably one of the best threads I've seen on this board. Maybe someone should write an article summarizing the crucial points. The next time that theists claim unbelievers will ignore all "evidence" for the supernatural we can point to an article which lists two clear objective tests. One of which is even biblical. Of course, they'll still come up with excuses.

Baloo

Justin/Dargo - I'm glad to see people have enjoyed reading the thread as much as I've enjoyed contributing to it. I'd actually planned on distributing a "God Check" program, but decided not to for numerous reasons (most notably, that a "Lying for Jesus" type of person might get a hold of and crack the code to dishonest ends). Besides, it's incredibly easy to make your own (unless you're as anal as I am about getting a "really, really close" to random result) with some rudimentray coding skills and a random number generator. Hell, with enough time and patience, you could even generate your own "random" number between 1 and 1x10^32, by doing a binary to base10 conversion of 108 coin flips. But I digress. Anyway, one hopes the show is not over yet - I am very much looking forward to further discussion with xian.

Oh, and keyser - I re-read what I wrote and decided it might have come across as more condescending than a "good-natured" jab. Speaking for myself, I think there really is something fascinating about random numbers (read: pseudo-random), and I've wasted many hours of my life just tinkering around with them. No hard feelings I hope, and your last guess (last in every sense), btw, was off to a great start - the first digit matched - but, alas, none of the next 31 did.
1 correct.

Curt Epithet

Then I suppose 00000000000000000000000000000002 is right out? Although with your generator thingy maybe not....

xian

i find it fascinating how you dodge this question...skirt around it constantly.

I pose it again. But I know why you don't answer. And I do not expect an answer anymore, though I am posing it to you again out of curtosey.

It is very easy to give an opinion on a character you see as fictitious. Very easy.....yet why do you not do it? I can only think of one answer: because your whole challenge is a disingenuous mockery. But just in case it IS genuine (I am giving you one last chance here), I am going to be a role model for you. I will demonstrate to you, how to give an opinion on a character that I believe is fictitious.

TASK: Given what you know about a character you believe is fictitious, what is your opinion on it?

Now, for entertainment purposes only, here is a hypothetical list of questions of non-existant beings that one could ask me about, and a list of hypothetical answers that address the question simply and directly, rather than build up a strawman answer and dodge the question.


Q: "How do you view Sarumann?"
A: He is a cruel wizard.

Q: How do you view Spock?
A: He is not given to emotions. He removed from persuasions human passions, yet his character is oddly appealing.

Q: How do you view Zeus?
A: Zeus is a chaotic god. He is a finite being...limited, and given to emtotional whims.

Q: How do you view Shiva?
A: Shiva is a vile, twisted evil being of unbelievable cruelty. She is reprehensible.

Q: How do you view Harry Potter?
A: Harry potter is a stupid little nerd. I would like to smash his little glasses.

Q: How do you view...........ect, ect, ect
A: Gee, this is so easy to do.


its not very hard, Baloo, to answer a simple question. When you first posed your challenge, I thought you were sincere.

The way you now sidestep, dodge, and dance around such a rudimentary basic question has undermined what I once thought was a sincere post....now I see it for what it truly is.

this is what bothers me about so many atheists, is that they play dodge games. It took me about 10 posts in another thread just to get Dr Rick to answer one simple question. What is the problem with you people refusing to answer simple, easy questions?

If you want me to be an example for you, ask me something.

I will show you how easy it is to answer a question without muddying it up and dancing around it. Psychologically speaking, I am fascinated at this propensity by so many atheists to avoid answering basic, non-loaded questions. I know there are psychological implications, but I do not know what they are.

I will think about it a while.

Baloo

Not a slight at anyone, but it really does take me about 2 minutes to check each of these guesses, so I'm going to make Curt's the last "insincere" guess checked. Curt, you've matched 6 digits (hey, a new record). From here on, if you are a theist, and you want to be a prophet of sorts for a specific deity, please state/define the deity you represent and your guess. You may do so publicly on this thread, or privately (in a PM). If by PM, please let me whether I should reveal the results, whether I should reveal your name, etc.

Baloo

I see the fictitious J/C God as a loving but mysterious god.

xian

do you see the J/C God as a cruel God?

Baloo

You have four friends Alan, Bill, Charlie, and Dan, who are all followers of Zork. You ask them, separately, about this "Zork" god. Alan says, "Well, in everything he does, he is fair and just." Bill says, "He never does anything that is evil". Charlie says "He herds goats." And Dan says "He tortures anyone who looks at his goats."

Based on the above four descriptions, what is your view of the Alan/Bill/Charlie/Dan Zork?

Baloo

No.

xian

i have no opinion on Zork. Do all 4 of them agree in certain actions of the Zork?

For me to formulate an opinion on Spock, or Harry Potter, or Zork, I first need to examine it a bit. What is the "story" of Zork? Is there a book of Zork that is common to the 4 people that they use to extract their opinions of Zork? If so, I need to read this book then formulate the opinion.