Radorth

You mean like when you pray and "rivers of living water flow" out of your innermost being for the first time? You mean like when you pray and something miraculous happens but you chalk it up to happenstance. But then it keeps happening over and over until you start thinking like Washington and Franklin did?


Ah yes. "I believe so I don't have to do anything or take responsibility." One who has been here long notes that on Wednesdays Christians feel too much guilt, but on Fridays they feel too little. The most famous and insightful Christian song ever written (by a flaming fundy) says God's grace relieved his every fear and guilty feeling, but we all know he was lying.

Surely we Christians all walk around in fear of the great Cookie Monster Jesus, who has threatened repeatedly to save the whole world in spite of itself. Surely our zeal comes, not from a love of truth and humankind, or the grace of God as we assert, but from some deepseated mental weakness.

Speak for yourself bub, because you apparently were motivated by such things. I certainly am not. My first prayer to God was "I'll never read the Bible or go to church, but if you think you can save me, go ahead."

It wasn't about fear or guilt for me. I felt none.

Rad

Joseph Backs

I told everyone that I do not care about "believing" in god, Philosoft, because my beliefs are irrelevant. My opinions about the fact are useless.

I have to understand facts and accept them as such - or I don't have to - there I already made three points and they are fairly disjointed.

The main point is that I can believe in the moon or not, and those beliefs are equally empty. The thing exists.

But you know what, god is renounced here - since none of you believe him - that's right, not "believe IN him" - none of you "believe him."

He loves believing you ... and he loves becky with her big butt.

sin searingly

littel JJ. B.

BadBadBad

Matthew
3:10
And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

3:11
I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance. but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

3:12
Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.

7:13
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

7:15
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

7:16
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

7:17
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

7:19
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

7:20
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.


8:12
But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

10:14
And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.

10:15
Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

11:15
He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

11:16
But whereunto shall I liken this generation? It is like unto children sitting in the markets, and calling unto their fellows,

11:17
And saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned unto you, and ye have not lamented.

11:18
For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.

11:19
The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.


11:20
Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not:

11:21
Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.

11:22
But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you.

11:23
And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.

11:24
But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.

13:36
Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying, Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field.

13:37
He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

13:38
The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

13:39
The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

13:40
As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.

13:41
The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

13:42
And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

13:43
Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

18:6
But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

18:7
Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

18:8
Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.

18:9
And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

24:44
Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

24:45
Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

24:46
Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.

24:47
Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.

24:48
But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

24:49
And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

24:50
The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

24:51
And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

25:41
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

25:42
For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

25:43
I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

25:44
Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

25:45
Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

25:46
And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.


Mark

16:14
Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.

16:15
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16:16
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

16:17
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

16:18
They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

16:19
So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.

16:20
And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.

Luke

12:5
But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.

John

15:6
If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

15:7
If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

Thessalonians
1:7
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

1:8
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

1:9
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

2:8
And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

2:9
Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders ,

2:10
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

2:11
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

2:12
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

2:13
But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

2:14
Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

2:16
Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,

2:17
Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.

2 Peter

3:7
But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

3:8
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

3:11
Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

3:12
Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

3:13
Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Joseph Backs

I believe in Aimie, and who among you has any proof that she actually exists?

Disjointed point number 32:

1) Aimie seems to be someone as she presents herself as such through the written word
2) Aimie seems to be no one as I never have met her seen her spoken with her or smelt her
3) Aimie seems only to be words expressed intelligibly
4) Words expressed intelligibly must have a source
5) What proof do I have that words expressed intelligibly do not originate from some other extant source in a manner indirectly other than this subject I term (or terms itself) "Aimie?'
6) I cannot prove that these words are not produced by a scoundrel or a trickster whose only intent is to lead me to believe the source of his words are actually those of the concept of the source "Aimie" in order to shield the identity behind the deceiving subject
7) therefore it is possible that "Aimie" does not exist

And, as Aimie first said "man I need some coffee."

JBacks. is Back.

Yellum Notnef

I hope all that water didn`t leave a stain on your wedding gown.

Please don`t think I`m ignoring you Rad. I`ve been too busy to hang around here lately,but you`re still my favorite theist.

And I know,I know! Jesus loves me anyway.

Amos

You are wrong here. Bertrand Russell was a historian in philosophy and that can't make him *the* idiot.

christ-on-a-stick

Hmmmm... there is no one named Aimie here that I know of!

beyelzu

you seem to be arguing for objective reality which is fine. You only know that the moon is there because you can see it. Without evidence of god, one can safely assume that he does not exist. Furthermore, any logical proof of god will be made by man, logic can be refuted after all.

regarding your earlier post,

you ignored my point about freud, I do understand your points and I respond to them.

so was freud always right?

after all he was the father of psychology so how can he be wrong.

ps this is the problem with appeals to authority.

Philosoft

I don't care about your "believing" in God or your "opinions about the facts" either. I didn't ask you anything about your beliefs. I didn't even use the word "belief." I'm asking you, pursuant to your previous post wherein you claimed God's existence is an objective fact, to give me a description of the God whose existence has been henceforth established.

Three is better than seventeen.

I know. You can point to the moon on a clear night and say, "That's the moon."

My fault, probably. I have a hard time telling God apart from the voices in my head.

You know, now that you mention it, I've never seen God and Sir-Mix-Alot in the same place at the same time.

Infinity Lover

ROFLMFAO @ Brettc

(Hey pssst, buddy, I'm sure you mean well, but Amie's not a biblical literist; you are sooo wasting time and bandwith).