Bible Humper

Hello Amos, I need to skip down in your post to begin. You have misinterpreted the symbolism of your quotations, so I'll show you what it really means.

The reference here is to the 64 squares of the chessboard, the solidity is the synergy of the 4 factors of chess positions, in order from most transitory to most enduring- Time, Space, Structure, Material. The point is that each position is nonetheless within the parameters of "chessness", proving that there are myriad possible universes which are capable of supporting life of some kind and thus refuting the fine tuning argument.

Actually there are three of us in a trinity but they are ultimately all one, if one of us knows God then all of "we" know God so it isn't possible to conceive of divine revelation among the higher mind, but assert free-will for the lower. Just as the chess player has 18 ways to start the game as white, so does the deity have 18 ways which our higher consciousness recognizes that the deity is in fact an imaginary figment of the ego.

Yes, some people recognize God as imaginary, some don't recognize this and become christian, and last are those who lack the mental faculties to decide in which case the fire is the burning away of certainty even as witnessed during gambit play when the position contains such murky complications that centuries of analysis haven't solved it (two knights defense).

Actually there are three of us in a classical trinity, though it is really four when time is also integrated. The others are Space, Structure, and Material, corresponding with the three components of both higher mind and lower mind.

Only two were shown because the church can't acknowledge the third which refutes their theology. This is part of why the Holy Ghost is the rarely mentioned "poor cousin" of the trinity.

Even more fundamental is the concept of Time which the church denies with all of it's ability, the concept that the phenomenon of the mind being capable of change instead of static is a hateful truth to them so they do what they can to minimize trinity in favor of duality.

The church tries to convince us that the position is one of inevitable perpetual check, there is no way out and the position has nowhere to go so the meaning of time and change is merely academic (The three components of the trinity being equivalent to a perpetual check which allows only three positions thus making the concepts of time and change academic and enforcing conservativism and opposition to change).

God is responsible for evil because all aspect of the position are within the player's power to dictate. The deity cannot claim he didn't see it coming, his attempt is evidence that he is a sore loser and is being beaten at his own game by the mind of man from where he came.

The crucifixion of the mind is the realization that the gambit line taken was not sound and now the transitory concepts of time and space are giving way to the enduring concepts of structure and material. Yahweh played this gambit to lay claim to the creation of all time and space but now that the end game approaches the pawns he sacrificed are becoming more important, his early advantage was imaginary just as he was imaginary.

You cannot have an entire mind if you only will acknowledge two aspects of mind and ignore the third (and ignore time). The problem is that with a full mind the christian cannot be convinced that God exists so it is needed to turn off one third and ignore time (progress and change) to keep this belief.

No, the duality is enforced to discourage the trinity which would allow the believer to see the truth regarding the non-existence of God. I see that here you mention two examples, Spires and Integrals, instead of three because it has been enforced that you can't allow a full realization because that would be the end of your belief. This is true even though your own concept of divinity is of a trinity (Holy Ghost is downplayed).


You see now, Zimjatin understood this by recognizing that there are four aspects (three plus time). Adam and Eve are man and woman, structure and material, outlasting Mary who is time which gives birth to Jesus-space (initiative converted to a space advantage) but both of which are becoming clearly outdated now that the game has progressed to the late middle game.

Now that there are only kings and pawns on the board, with perhaps one other piece also, space is basically there for the taking and time is not nearly as relevant as it once was.

This means that now that we are out of the dark ages, we can dispose of superfluous imaginary beings and increase our real progress in the meantime.

I'm surprised you didn't notice this, Amos.

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Silent Acorns

I must admit that I have never understood why people who profess to believe in an omni-god, nevertheless demand justice on this Earth. If you honestly believe that God will judge us all, and that He alone has the right and wisdom to judge, why get upset about anything that happens here? Justice is guaranteed, isn't it?

All omni-theists who seek justice on Earth for anything (even something like the Holocaust) are hypocrites, by definition.

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Amos

You are absolutly right.

Peace on earth would make heaven redundant.

Amos

Hi there Bible Humper, I think you play chess a lot. Maybe too much for you own good.

Bible Humper

Hi there Amos, I think you read Jung a lot. Maybe too much for your own good

Bible Humper

I'm wary of assuming that I have stumped all of the theists here at II, but if none of you will answer my post, I'm going to feel justified boasting exactly that!

Will nobody refute my argument?

Amos

Maybe they think that the smithers are too small.

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K

BH:

When the questions get really tough, the theists tend to bug out for a while. I suspect that it is just because they have no answer, but it often does look like it's in hope that people forget the question was ever posed.

Bible Humper

Hello K,

Gotcha, I'll be sure to bring it up as often as it takes in order to get one of them to try, in that case!

Hello Amos,


By saying that "perhaps they think the smithers(smithereens) are too small" it appears that you are saying that, thanks to this thread, the theistic argument has been annihilated!!

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Jamie_L

Furthermore, how does Free Will explain cancer, earthquakes, volcanoes, meteorite strikes and all the other natural evils that don't seem to involve any kind of human choice.

Jamie