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Boro Nut · 02-14-2002, 08:47 AM

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Originally posted by tronvillain:
I'm a little skeptical of Cecil now, since a foreskin has no apparent effect on splash when urinating.

Oh I don't know. What about when you wake up after the night before and it has somehow dried a funny shape(you know, the old Elvis' Lip look) or has a trapped pube. I often get that double piss strands phenomena happen. Does that happen without a foreskin? When they twirl around each other, don't you think they look beautiful in a sunbeam?

Gurdur · 02-14-2002, 08:56 AM

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Originally posted by Boro Nut:

You may think I am stupid, but being English, what exactly is circumcision? ......

I always thought it was something obscure to do with global exploration. ......
Boro Nut

The unkindest cut of all here.

Queen of Swords · 02-14-2002, 09:12 AM

So, Gurdur, are you a cut above the rest?

Gurdur · 02-14-2002, 09:18 AM

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Originally posted by QueenofSwords:
So, Gurdur, are you a cut above the rest?

Ah, you're cutting me down to size here.
Well, I deserved it, though you slice so small.

Corwin · 02-14-2002, 09:19 AM

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Originally posted by Baloo:
From <a href="http://www.postgradmed.com/issues/1999/07_99/mattson.htm" target="_blank">http://www.postgradmed.com/issues/1999/07_99/mattson.htm</a>:

I'd like to request that before anybody makes one additional mention of the trauma of the circumcision operation, they provide examples of trauma where one of the two anesthetic methods described in the articles above were used. I hope everyone else realizes that basing a case against circumcision on the trauma of an unanesthetized operation is like arguing against abortion based on the medical complications of doing the operation with a clothes-hangar. Until such examples are provided, I'll assume the "barbaric torture" part of the issue is laid to rest. Although, before moving on, does anyone want to offer an explanation as to why NONE of the anti-circumcision sites even MENTION either of these two anesthetic methods, yet they are willing to actually offer, in three different formats, video footage, surrounded by graphic descriptions, and coupled with mulitple freeze-frame images of operations where these common methods are not used? Could it be because they have an agenda, and they aren't going to let such annoying things as facts get in the way?

[ February 14, 2002: Message edited by: Baloo ]

Because the pain from the operation is only part of the problem. It's the lifelong results, (loss of sensation, disfigurement, occasional death from the procedure) that really annoy people.

To put it another way.... how would you feel if we strapped you down without your consent and cut off your fingertips? Oh don't worry... we'll give you a local. Put it in perspective and the fact that it doesn't hurt is almost irrelevant and beside the point....

Queen of Swords · 02-14-2002, 09:22 AM

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Originally posted by Gurdur:
Ah, you're cutting me down to size here.
Well, I deserved it, though you slice so small.

I think we'd better cut it out; let the regulars take a stab at serious discussion.

Baloo · 02-14-2002, 09:51 AM

AH! The postsluts are invading! The postsluts are invading!

tronvillain · 02-14-2002, 11:22 AM

Boro Nut:

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Oh I don't know. What about when you wake up after the night before and it has somehow dried a funny shape(you know, the old Elvis' Lip look) or has a trapped pube. I often get that double piss strands phenomena happen. Does that happen without a foreskin? When they twirl around each other, don't you think they look beautiful in a sunbeam?

I have no idea what you are talking about.

tronvillain · 02-14-2002, 11:29 AM

jaliet:

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In Kenya (here)and sub-saharan Africa where the AIDS pandemic is ravaging populations, its claimed that statistics indicate a high prevalence of HIV among uncircumsiced men. And currently, free circumcision clinics are opened up and people are being asked to volunteer (the Medical fraternity is scared that it may be mistaken to mean being circumcised is being safe).

Its being argued that research indicates that the foreskin seems to have cells that act as receptors for the HIV virus. But they admit its not very conclusive.

I think it's entirely possible that circumcision reduces susceptibility to some sexually transmitted diseases, but not because the foreskin has any special receptors. It dries out and toughens a mucous membrane - seems like a pretty good barrier.

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I am uncut myself and the only problem I have is that I am too sensitive. And my GF is still a kind of a virgin (tight and all) so I hardly take a while before coming. Thats the only problem I have witnessed: sex being "too-sweet".

Perhaps you need more practice. Try to extend the time you masturbate and gain some control.

[ February 14, 2002: Message edited by: tronvillain ]

tronvillain · 02-14-2002, 11:45 AM

Baloo:

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I'd like to request that before anybody makes one additional mention of the trauma of the circumcision operation, they provide examples of trauma where one of the two anesthetic methods described in the articles above were used. I hope everyone else realizes that basing a case against circumcision on the trauma of an unanesthetized operation is like arguing against abortion based on the medical complications of doing the operation with a clothes-hangar. Until such examples are provided, I'll assume the "barbaric torture" part of the issue is laid to rest.

It won't even be partially laid to rest until all circumcisions are done with anaesthetic. Are you claiming that they are? If not, I suggest you shut the hell up.

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Although, before moving on, does anyone want to offer an explanation as to why NONE of the anti-circumcision sites even MENTION either of these two anesthetic methods, yet they are willing to actually offer, in three different formats, video footage, surrounded by graphic descriptions, and coupled with mulitple freeze-frame images of operations where these common methods are not used? Could it be because they have an agenda, and they aren't going to let such annoying things as facts get in the way?

From your second link: Many male newborns who are circumcised in North America do not receive anesthetics6 (64%-96% in some areas). A lot of the ones who do recieve anaesthetics probably recieve EMLA, which isn't very effective (see the study I linked to and your own studies). Perhaps you should pay more attention to the fact.

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