Heathen Dawn

And who created hell? Take a hint: begins with the letter G.



What does it say about God that those who reject Him end up in eternal torture? Can we say "insecure despot"?

The Bible does Satan much more of a favour than God. Satan told mankind to taste knowledge, God drowned the whole population minus eight in a flood. Seems their roles are reversed as to who is the embodiment of all good and who embodies all evil.

Haylow

really this even debunks the myth of evolution

To quote someone else in one of there replys they stated that mabey god created the world with a history.

I can see why god just did that, for when your trace the origins of life and it gets complicated and confuseing even the most intelligent will draw the same conclusion and assume the actions of god. "stuff this shit, i just don't care".

Magic Primate

No, its God that made Hell, made or allows temptions, human weakness, Satan himself, and ignorance and its God who would send us to Hell.

What is Satan's motivation supposed to be here? He's rebelling against God right? So if he wants to turn people against God, he wouldn't torment them for doing so would he? That's just bad management. No matter how 'evil' he is, by all accounts he is reasonably smart. So, if anything he'd reward them.

So either

1. God is doing all the torture and is in full control and Satan is just another victim of his tyranny, or
2. Satan is just his puppet 'Bad Guy' and God is still ordering all the torturing or
3. Hell being a horrid place is just Christian propaganda - its actually like a 24 hour party (or whatever) where Satan rewards us for rebelling against God. He is master of Hell right? Or...
4. Its all just a made-up form of social control. Hmmm... now let me think....

I heard he was banished and tortured for questioning why he had to tempt people, just in order that they would be damned - I can understand why he would want answers. Sounds like compassion to me - not that I believe in him, I'm just highlighting some of the inconsistencies.

Anyway, why does God try to 'tempt' people with the pleasures of Heaven? If he wanted to select people on the basis of true goodness, he'd take the pleasures of heaven out of the equation by making it unknown to us. Perhaps he'd even allow Hell to sound tempting in order to seduce the weak. Hang on - maybe that is what's going on...

There is a great lie - a tempting false reward offered in an imaginary supernatural realm - its called Heaven - and the deceiver is called Christianity.

Haylow

magic

Satan is rewarding them, the bible is reverse pyscology those who don't really understand that end up in hell, not the heaven they have been promised for that is satan's reward for following it.

That is the purpose of the bible to lead people to god by applying it in reverse.

Magic Primate

So, let me get this straight - if you do 'good', instead of heaven you will go to Hell because you've fallen for Satans deceit. And if you don't do 'good' you go to heaven, because God will reward your natural goodness, which is not motivated by a lust for eternal bliss.

What would be the ultimate purpose of this absurd game?

winstonjen

You'll have to ask the equally absurd followers.

Weltall

So what about the masochists? Quite frankly I would consider heaven much worse than hell. You can have intelligent conversations with fascinating people in hell, and even neverending torments sounds a lot better than spending eternity praising the bastard who created the f'ed up system in the first place.

Magus55

And with statements like this, you can't see why people end up in Hell? You WANT to be in Hell. You just said you'd rather be there than Heaven. There are only two options, Heaven: God's Kingdom, or Hell: Eternal prison.

And your really naive if you think you will be partying with Satan, celebrating your rejection of God. Hell is punishment. Its never ending torment in darkness. There is no fun to be had in Hell. You gave up everything good in this world when you rejected God. But since that is what you want, God will let you go there. He isn't gonna force you to be in Heaven when you don't want to.

Heathen Dawn

No-one wants to be in an eternal torture chamber, Magus. Get that into your head. Your God is on a par with Stalin in what He does to the opposition party.

That was predictable. An Abrahamic religionist must of necessity make hell the worst place possible, where there is no cessation of torture, nor the slightest hint of mercy. Just another cog in my argument that Abrahamic religions are the embodiment of pure human evil.

Magus55

God made Hell for Satan and his demons. Humans made Hell a possible fate by disobeying and rejecting God. By His divine righteousness, He has to punish sinners.


Satan already rebelled against God. His fate is sealed. Satan can never be redeemed or forgiven. He will be in the Lake of Fire for eternity, with no exceptions. Now, if you knew your future destiny was eternal torment with no relief, would you do everything in your power until that time to get back at your enemy? What does Satan have to lose by defying God? His fate is already eternal sealed. But, the thing God wants the most is for all humans to turn away from sin, accept His gift of salvation, and have fellowship with Him for eternity. Satan wants to take away as many people from God as He can, because God doesn't want anyone to perish. Satan doesn't torment anyone, Satan will be punished himself along with unsaved humans. Why would Satan reward you? He is probably laughing at everyone who is rejecting God, full of himself for stealing humans away from God's love. Satan makes Hitler look like Mother Theresa, he is evil beyond words.


Lucifer (Satan) was banished to Hell for rebelling against God and trying to take over the throne. Satan tempts people to get back at God for punishing him.

God doesn't tempt people with the pleasures of Heaven. There is a reason Heaven is the least talked about theological concept in the Bible. Hell is one of the most talked about. Reason being, God wants us to know how bad Hell is so we avoid it at all costs. He doesn't tell us much about Heaven for 1) so we don't want to be with God just for the benefits of Heaven and 2) no human mind can comprehend the majesty and awe that is Heaven.

1Cr 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.