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Mageth · 08-14-2003, 02:20 PM

God didn't blow up the OK federal building, a terrorist did. Tim McVeigh chose to use his free will, to go against God's command of thou shalt not murder. He made the choice, why should God stop him? It isn't God's job to run around to every tragedy and stop the crimes committed by humans. God is not a magic genie, so stop acting like we can do whatever we want, and expect God to make it all better with no consequences. It doesn't work that way.

Well, obviously it doesn't, which clearly indicates that the omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent god doesn't exist.

Magus55 · 08-14-2003, 02:22 PM

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There are sins of commission and there are sins of omission. If you are capable of preventing an evil but stand idly by and let it happen you have committed a sin of omission

That may apply to humans, it doesn't apply to God. What do you, as a human, have to preserve in a situation that would prevent you from helping out with something? Probably nothing. God on the other hand, wants to preserve our freedom of choice. Why do you seem to think God has to follow your laws? You are NOT ABOVE God, so stop acting like you make the rules. If God doesn't want to help in a situation, He, by absolutely no authority but His own, isn't required to do so, and no that doesn't make Him evil, it makes Him sovereign. You can't keep bringing God to your level, and expect Him to fit into the box you designed for Him. God is above and beyond any ideal or standard you can ever imagine.

Magus55 · 08-14-2003, 02:25 PM

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Originally posted by Mageth

Well, obviously it doesn't, which clearly indicates that the omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent god doesn't exist.

That is clearly your opinion and has no basis of fact within reality.

Heathen Dawn · 08-14-2003, 02:26 PM

So that the claim that morality comes from God is thus proven to be bogus, according to Magus.

Mageth · 08-14-2003, 02:27 PM

If God doesn't want to help in a situation, He, by absolutely no authority but His own, isn't required to do so, and no that doesn't make Him evil, it makes Him sovereign.

Actually, it makes the omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent god disappear in a puff of logic.

Magus55 · 08-14-2003, 02:29 PM

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Originally posted by Heathen Dawn
So that the claim that morality comes from God is thus proven to be bogus, according to Magus.

Nope, God created morality for humans. But crime by omission isn't always based on morality. God creates the rules, and isn't required to follow every rule He gives humans.

Mageth · 08-14-2003, 02:30 PM

That is clearly your opinion and has no basis of fact within reality.

Actually, it logically follows. The god you describe cannot logically have all those attributes.

And it's you that keeps describing the attributes of god, what he can, can't, may, or may not do. Talk about something that's opinion with "no basis of fact within reality".

Magus55 · 08-14-2003, 02:30 PM

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Originally posted by Mageth

Actually, it makes the omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent god disappear in a puff of logic.

Again, only to you.

Mageth · 08-14-2003, 02:31 PM

Nope, God created morality for humans. But crime by omission isn't always based on morality. God creates the rules, and isn't required to follow every rule He gives humans.

That is clearly your opinion and has no basis of fact within reality.

Mageth · 08-14-2003, 02:32 PM

Again, only to you.

No, it should be obvious to anyone with a solid grip on reality.

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08-14-2003, 02:20 PM	#11
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	God didn't blow up the OK federal building, a terrorist did. Tim McVeigh chose to use his free will, to go against God's command of thou shalt not murder. He made the choice, why should God stop him? It isn't God's job to run around to every tragedy and stop the crimes committed by humans. God is not a magic genie, so stop acting like we can do whatever we want, and expect God to make it all better with no consequences. It doesn't work that way. Well, obviously it doesn't, which clearly indicates that the omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent god doesn't exist.

08-14-2003, 02:26 PM	#14
Heathen Dawn Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 4,656	So that the claim that morality comes from God is thus proven to be bogus, according to Magus.

08-14-2003, 02:27 PM	#15
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	If God doesn't want to help in a situation, He, by absolutely no authority but His own, isn't required to do so, and no that doesn't make Him evil, it makes Him sovereign. Actually, it makes the omnipresent, omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent god disappear in a puff of logic.

08-14-2003, 02:30 PM	#17
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	That is clearly your opinion and has no basis of fact within reality. Actually, it logically follows. The god you describe cannot logically have all those attributes. And it's you that keeps describing the attributes of god, what he can, can't, may, or may not do. Talk about something that's opinion with "no basis of fact within reality".

08-14-2003, 02:31 PM	#19
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	Nope, God created morality for humans. But crime by omission isn't always based on morality. God creates the rules, and isn't required to follow every rule He gives humans. That is clearly your opinion and has no basis of fact within reality.

08-14-2003, 02:32 PM	#20
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	Again, only to you. No, it should be obvious to anyone with a solid grip on reality.

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