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DarkDruid · 10-22-2002, 09:24 AM

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Originally posted by Seraphim:
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My reply : No, if whoever created this thread knows common sense, basic chemistry and physics, he or she couldn't have created this thread or waste himself/herself in a Yoga class.
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I created this thread, I know chemistry and physics pretty well, and it was a massage class, not a yoga class. As a matter of fact, if was only one session as part of a seminar class. Besides, you seem to assume that if someone posts something for discussion, they are an ignorant boob.

tronvillain · 10-22-2002, 12:20 PM

Exactly what is going on here? It looks as if someone has dug themselves a huge hole and is now pretending now to be standing at the bottom of it.

Seraphim:

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My reply : When I pointed out that max. time a person could survive without water, I also stated that I heard of it from somewhere, which means it was my personal opinion and NOT a fact. Was that too hard to understand?
Now, could you tell me how MANY days or hours a person could survive without food? I want accurate data as how many days he or she could survive and NOT guesses.

Do you admit that there is a limit to how long a person can survive without food or not? Whether we can give a average time for the limit or an equation to calculate the expected time for a given person is unimportant to the existence of the limit. If you admit the existence of such a limit (that people cannot go without food indefinitely), then you admit that your statement "A human body on the other hand have no limitation of how many hours or days it could go on without food" is false. If you do not admit the existence of such a limit, then you identity yourself as a person completely out of touch with reality. Now, yes or no?

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My reply : Open your laptop and take out the battery, then try turning it on. Will it work?

A person who donates blood (ATP is carried from one tissue to another by blood) and that person still could walk around - he will be weak and dizzy, but he will still be alive.

Thus - human body is independant because it's energy source is from the cells ALL OVER his body, not in one place like a laptop.

Removing a battery is not analagous to giving blood, since as you point out the entire body stores energy. Now, if you wish to make that a condition for "independence", by all means go ahead, but it has little meaning.

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My reply : Absurb! If a person skip a meal for a few hours, he won't die. If a laptop skip a recharge before it's limit runs out, it will die. And you still argue that human body and the laptop battery is same?

Yet another false analogy! A person skipping a meal is not analagous to not recharging a battery before its limit runs out. Rather, not recharging a battery before its limit runs out is analagous to a person not eating before they starve to death!

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My reply : I never said it had anything to do with ATP, I simply said the body produce energy in form named ATP.

Well, that is horribly innacurate, but that is beside the point. If it does not have anything to do with ATP, why did you bring ATP up? If it does not have anything to do with ATP, what does it have to do with?

10-22-2002, 04:56 PM

"I created this thread, I know chemistry and physics pretty well, and it was a massage class, not a yoga class. As a matter of fact, if was only one session as part of a seminar class. Besides, you seem to assume that if someone posts something for discussion, they are an ignorant boob. "

My reply : Remember this qoute from below? It is from your 1st post :

"Today, in one of my classes, they had us divided into two groups. Group 1 went and did yoga, group 2 did massage."

You never mentioned anything about being part of a seminar or one time class or anything like that, and I assumed that you are taking this class full time.

As for the ignorant blob (boob means breast, right?), your own statement answered for you.

10-22-2002, 05:06 PM

"Do you admit that there is a limit to how long a person can survive without food or not? Whether we can give a average time for the limit or an equation to calculate the expected time for a given person is unimportant to the existence of the limit. If you admit the existence of such a limit (that people cannot go without food indefinitely), then you admit that your statement "A human body on the other hand have no limitation of how many hours or days it could go on without food" is false. If you do not admit the existence of such a limit, then you identity yourself as a person completely out of touch with reality. Now, yes or no? "

My reply : Who said that is not important (referring to the one bold)? If a laptop has a limited time it could be active, that it IS important to show that humanity has NO such limitation. Who is out of touch with the reality now?
And for your question on Yes or No, the answer is NO. I made my statement perfectly clear.

"Yet another false analogy! A person skipping a meal is not analagous to not recharging a battery before its limit runs out. Rather, not recharging a battery before its limit runs out is analagous to a person not eating before they starve to death! "

My reply : the fact fits, you're not fit, that's your problem.

"Well, that is horribly innacurate, but that is beside the point. If it does not have anything to do with ATP, why did you bring ATP up? If it does not have anything to do with ATP, what does it have to do with? "

My reply :

Sigh ...
ATP is what the body creates as energy to power up the cells, thus equivalent to battery's charge which powers up the laptop. IS that hard to figure out?

DarkDruid · 10-23-2002, 10:04 PM

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Originally posted by Seraphim:
<strong>You never mentioned anything about being part of a seminar or one time class or anything like that, and I assumed that you are taking this class full time.

As for the ignorant blob (boob means breast, right?), your own statement answered for you.</strong>

Maybe if you asked instead of assumed, you'd be wrong on one less thing. And "ignorant boob" is quite a common expression where I'm from.

10-23-2002, 10:36 PM

"Maybe if you asked instead of assumed, you'd be wrong on one less thing. And "ignorant boob" is quite a common expression where I'm from. "

My reply : Is it common as well wherever you came from to write something half-heartily and leave information out so others could ask? Must be, otherwise, we could be having this ... whatever you want to call it.

Well, you in a forum where you will be talking to people from all over the place on the planet, so it is advisable to leave your local expressions and write whatever you meant clearly if you want it to be discussed.

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10-22-2002, 04:56 PM	#43
Seraphim Guest Posts: n/a	"I created this thread, I know chemistry and physics pretty well, and it was a massage class, not a yoga class. As a matter of fact, if was only one session as part of a seminar class. Besides, you seem to assume that if someone posts something for discussion, they are an ignorant boob. " My reply : Remember this qoute from below? It is from your 1st post : "Today, in one of my classes, they had us divided into two groups. Group 1 went and did yoga, group 2 did massage." You never mentioned anything about being part of a seminar or one time class or anything like that, and I assumed that you are taking this class full time. As for the ignorant blob (boob means breast, right?), your own statement answered for you.

10-22-2002, 05:06 PM	#44
Seraphim Guest Posts: n/a	"Do you admit that there is a limit to how long a person can survive without food or not? Whether we can give a average time for the limit or an equation to calculate the expected time for a given person is unimportant to the existence of the limit. If you admit the existence of such a limit (that people cannot go without food indefinitely), then you admit that your statement "A human body on the other hand have no limitation of how many hours or days it could go on without food" is false. If you do not admit the existence of such a limit, then you identity yourself as a person completely out of touch with reality. Now, yes or no? " My reply : Who said that is not important (referring to the one bold)? If a laptop has a limited time it could be active, that it IS important to show that humanity has NO such limitation. Who is out of touch with the reality now? And for your question on Yes or No, the answer is NO. I made my statement perfectly clear. "Yet another false analogy! A person skipping a meal is not analagous to not recharging a battery before its limit runs out. Rather, not recharging a battery before its limit runs out is analagous to a person not eating before they starve to death! " My reply : the fact fits, you're not fit, that's your problem. "Well, that is horribly innacurate, but that is beside the point. If it does not have anything to do with ATP, why did you bring ATP up? If it does not have anything to do with ATP, what does it have to do with? " My reply : Sigh ... ATP is what the body creates as energy to power up the cells, thus equivalent to battery's charge which powers up the laptop. IS that hard to figure out?

10-23-2002, 10:36 PM	#46
Seraphim Guest Posts: n/a	"Maybe if you asked instead of assumed, you'd be wrong on one less thing. And "ignorant boob" is quite a common expression where I'm from. " My reply : Is it common as well wherever you came from to write something half-heartily and leave information out so others could ask? Must be, otherwise, we could be having this ... whatever you want to call it. Well, you in a forum where you will be talking to people from all over the place on the planet, so it is advisable to leave your local expressions and write whatever you meant clearly if you want it to be discussed.

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