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Old 04-15-2002, 11:16 PM   #11
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My guess is that Joseph Free is the source of this pericope, maybe on p. 317 of _Archaeology and Bible History_. Can anyone check his book to test this hypothesis?

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A case in source criticism, Originally posted by AIA:
<strong>For example, many critics claimed that St. Luke wrongly implied that Lystra and Derbe were in Lycaonia and Iconium was not (See Acts 14:6). They based their belief on the writings of Romans such as Cicero who indicated that Iconium was in Lycaonia. Thus, the critics said that the Book of Acts was unreliable. However, in 1910, Sir William Ramsay unearthed a monument that showed that Iconium was a Phrygian city thus disproving the critics. This discovery was later confirmed by Joseph Free in "Archaeology and Bible History", published in 1969.</strong>
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[23] ”Archaeologists at first believed Luke’s implication wrong that Lystra and Derbe were in Lycaonia and Iconium was not. (Acts 14:6). They based their belief on the writings of Romans such as Cicero who indicated that Iconium was in Lycaonia. Thus, archaeologists said the Book of Acts was unreliable. However, in 1910, Sir William Ramsay found a monument that showed that Iconium was a Phrygian city. Later discoveries confirm this.”
[23]Joseph Free, p. 317.

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Archaeologists at first believed Luke’s implication to be wrong, that Lystra and Derbe were in Lycaonia, and Iconium was not. They based their belief on the writings of Romans such as Cicero who indicated that Iconium was in Lycaonia. Thus, archaeologists said the book of Acts was unreliable

In 1910, Sir William Ramsay found a monument that showed that Iconium was indeed a Phrygian city. This has been confirmed by later discoveries.

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A. ARCHAEOLOGISTS AT FIRST BELIEVED LUKE'S IMPLICATION TO BE WRONG...
1. That Lystra and Derbe were in Lycaonia and Iconium was not
2. They based their belief on the writings of Romans such as
Cicero
3. Who indicated that Iconium was in Lycaonia
4. Thus, archaeologists said the book of Acts was unreliable!

B. BUT IN 1910, SIR WILLIAM RAMSAY FOUND A MONUMENT...
1. Which showed that Iconium was indeed a Phrygian city
2. Later discoveries continued to confirm this!

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ARCHAEOLOGISTS AT FIRST BELIEVED LUKE'S IMPLICATION TO BE WRONG...
That Lystra and Derbe were in Lycaonia and Iconium was not
They based their belief on the writings of Romans such as Cicero
Who indicated that Iconium was in Lycaonia
Thus, archaeologists said the book of Acts was unreliable!


BUT IN 1910, SIR WILLIAM RAMSAY FOUND A MONUMENT...
Which showed that Iconium was indeed a Phrygian city
Later discoveries continued to confirm this!

<a href="http://engr.uark.edu/~rlb/evidence/arch.htm" target="_blank">http://engr.uark.edu/~rlb/evidence/arch.htm</a>
Archaeologists at first believed Luke's implication wrong that Lystra and Derbe were in Lycaonia and Iconium was not (Acts 14:6). They based their belief on the writings of Romans such as Cicero who indicated that Iconium was in Lycaonia. Thus, archaeologists said the Book of Acts was unreliable. However, in 1910, Sir William Ramsay found a monument that showed that Iconium was a Phrygian city. Later discoveries confirm this.
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Old 04-16-2002, 12:07 AM   #12
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Well, if nobody has a response, I will continue...

Steven Carr further stated :

“Naturally, he is often described by Christian apologists as a former atheist who converted to Christianity after studying the evidence.”

I do not know of anyone who has mistakenly referred to Sir William Ramsay as a former atheist.
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