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Conchobar · 05-16-2003, 09:39 PM

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Originally posted by Mageth
[B]Jesus was a fool eh? A fool doesn't Know right? Ignorance is Bliss?

The wise man knows he doesn't know everything, probably doesn't know much of anything, and for damn sure doesn't claim he has the "whole truth" or that such is attainable.

Jesus didn't claim to know everything and admitted that he didn't. "My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?" He admitted that he was not god. He also didn't think that he would end up on the cross and felt "forsaken" by God. He clearly didn't know the plan. The Devil took Jesus up on a mountain to show him all the nations of the Earth. Obviously Jesus didn't say,"Hey Old Scratch, the Earth is a globe. How can I see the MesoAmerican and Andean civilisations on this side of it?" He didn't say that so apparently he and maybe the Devil thought the Earth was flat. Jesus didn't know that epilepsy was electrical discharges from brain cells, he thought it was demons. Jesus didn't know that Leprosy was an infectious bacterial illness spread by Mycobacterium leprae and treatable by antibiotics. His knowledge was that of the average Palestinian carpenter of 29 AD.

If Jesus claimed to know the "whole truth", and claimed that that truth was the answer to the ultimate "why" question, then he was mistaken.

See my above paragraph. He obviously was not a god.

I'm not convinced he claimed to know the whole truth, so I'm not ready to personally label him a fool.

Exactly, he never said "I am God." I have looked for those words in the Gospels and they are not there. I get the same old gobshite "I Am" and "Before Abraham I AM" which are ambiguous.

Personally, I think his teaching was more along the lines of attaining self-realization and a life of peace and joy rather than illuminating an answer to the "why" question. One can attain those things without knowing, or requiring, a "reason" answer to the "why" question. In fact, realizing that the why question is pointless, that there is no ultimate, knowable answer to "why", is an imortant step to understanding and coming to peace with yourself and your brief life in this universe.

If he existed at all, still debatable, he was a moral reformer not a saviour or a god.

Conchobar

Mageth · 05-17-2003, 01:41 AM

He (Jesus) obviously was not a god.

Well, duh. You do realize you're preachin' to the choir here, in my case anyway, don't you?

If he existed at all, still debatable, he was a moral reformer not a saviour or a god.

Absolutely. And a bit of a Buddhist (in spirit, anyway) reformer, IMO.

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Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	He (Jesus) obviously was not a god. Well, duh. You do realize you're preachin' to the choir here, in my case anyway, don't you? If he existed at all, still debatable, he was a moral reformer not a saviour or a god. Absolutely. And a bit of a Buddhist (in spirit, anyway) reformer, IMO.

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