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Jimmy Higgins · 02-28-2003, 12:43 PM

Circuit Court says F-off Bush.
Well, they didn't actually say that, but this does mean the case will go to the Supreme Court, that is, if they'll hear it. I'm kinda surprised, myself. I thought they would have folded. Next up, the bible in court.

Ultron · 02-28-2003, 01:58 PM

It'll be cool watching the Supremes smack it down.

Ronin · 02-28-2003, 03:45 PM

Yeah...everyone knows that claiming to be "Under God" has absolutely nothing to do with religion.

Sue Sponte · 02-28-2003, 04:04 PM

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It'll be cool watching the Supremes smack it down.

What do you find "cool" about forcing children to make a pledge about something they may not agree with?

It's short-sighted comments like this, where the person cannot recognize a flaw in the process such that the result would be objectionable if the facts were simply changed (i.e. forcing students to say "Under Satan" or "Under Absolutely Nothing") that drives me nuts.

I bet you would be a barrel of freakin' laughs if I was a teacher and required your daughter to pledge that there is no God.

Have some sense of intellectual integrity. And try reading some of the writings by the Founders of this country before popping off about how the U.S. Constitution was formed for the purposes of promoting Christianity.

Mr. Superbad · 02-28-2003, 04:09 PM

How can "Under God" be unconstitutional? Bush himself said the other day that democracy was a gift from God! How can there be democracy if there is no God?!?! What are you a bunch of pagan baby-eating commies?

And besides, God is just a generic word for "higher power" that can mean anything from Zeus, to Vishnu, to Reeses Peanut-Butter cups...

copernicus · 02-28-2003, 06:00 PM

Democracy was a gift from God! He generously chose to give it to the pagan Greeks first, even though there were some perfectly good Israeli tribespeople just down the Mediterranean coast, and even though the Greeks weren't currently worshipping Yahweh at the time! This is a new one for God. Clearly, He was trying get beyond tribal bigotry.

Grad Student Humanist · 02-28-2003, 06:24 PM

Well, if Bush is so sure that democracy is a gift of god then he can be the first to offer up a sacrafice to Zeus. After all, democracy is a Greek concept. Jehovah had nothing to do with it.

The Isrealites had absolutely no notion of the concept. The only political systems in the Old Testament are authoritarian, theocratic and bloodthirsty as hell.

Jimmy Higgins · 02-28-2003, 07:03 PM

Well thats the problem. No matter whether it is God or god, it excludes us cute and adorable atheists. That was a great argument he made. It might even stick in the highest court, of course, it would be a liberal commie court.

Daggah · 02-28-2003, 08:01 PM

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Originally posted by Ultron
It'll be cool watching the Supremes smack it down.

Hi, Ultron. I guess you got bored using your inferior debating skills on Tcom, eh? Well, I hope you're a masochist, because you'll get your ass handed back to you by just about everyone here. And you thought it was hard with only UrsaMajor and Miang kicking you around? Heh. I can't wait until you meet Buffman in the CSS forum. That'll be...amusing.

Colander of Truth · 02-28-2003, 08:35 PM

I prefer to replace "under God" with "under Canada"

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Jimmy Higgins Contributor Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Proud Citizen of Freedonia Posts: 42,473	"Under God" Still unconstitutional Circuit Court says F-off Bush. Well, they didn't actually say that, but this does mean the case will go to the Supreme Court, that is, if they'll hear it. I'm kinda surprised, myself. I thought they would have folded. Next up, the bible in court.

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02-28-2003, 01:58 PM	#2
Ultron Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: here Posts: 738	It'll be cool watching the Supremes smack it down.

02-28-2003, 03:45 PM	#3
Ronin Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Mississippi Posts: 5,047	Yeah...everyone knows that claiming to be "Under God" has absolutely nothing to do with religion.

02-28-2003, 04:09 PM	#5
Mr. Superbad Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Well fortified mountain bunker Posts: 3,567	How can "Under God" be unconstitutional? Bush himself said the other day that democracy was a gift from God! How can there be democracy if there is no God?!?! What are you a bunch of pagan baby-eating commies? And besides, God is just a generic word for "higher power" that can mean anything from Zeus, to Vishnu, to Reeses Peanut-Butter cups...

02-28-2003, 06:00 PM	#6
copernicus Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Bellevue, WA Posts: 1,531	Democracy was a gift from God! He generously chose to give it to the pagan Greeks first, even though there were some perfectly good Israeli tribespeople just down the Mediterranean coast, and even though the Greeks weren't currently worshipping Yahweh at the time! This is a new one for God. Clearly, He was trying get beyond tribal bigotry.

02-28-2003, 06:24 PM	#7
Grad Student Humanist Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Melrose, MA Posts: 961	Well, if Bush is so sure that democracy is a gift of god then he can be the first to offer up a sacrafice to Zeus. After all, democracy is a Greek concept. Jehovah had nothing to do with it. The Isrealites had absolutely no notion of the concept. The only political systems in the Old Testament are authoritarian, theocratic and bloodthirsty as hell.

02-28-2003, 07:03 PM	#8
Jimmy Higgins Contributor Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Proud Citizen of Freedonia Posts: 42,473	Well thats the problem. No matter whether it is God or god, it excludes us cute and adorable atheists. That was a great argument he made. It might even stick in the highest court, of course, it would be a liberal commie court.

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Colander of Truth Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Sri Dunka .... Donut: Cruller w/Jimmies Posts: 2,710	I prefer to replace "under God" with "under Canada"

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