Psychic

[quote]originally posted by meritocrat
[b] Not all cases of depression are linked to chemical imbalances. In most instances depression can be treated well by a good psychiatrist. Is THAT not better than taking your own life?[b]

*sigh* listen to meeeee, listen to meeeeee: GET the hell out of here, to your public library and do some READING about depression and then wither you return to here or not it's up to you. but until that moment when you can comprehend "the state of depression" don't show up around here. :banghead:
or maybe I should make YOU personally expierience a depressive episode, to know what it feels like and to see what would life mean to you. :boohoo: I just wish you are in my neighborhod.
:banghead: :banghead:
I don't agree to irrational suicide, fueled by momentarily feelings of agony. and nobody else around here does as our good friend (thanks to her) tried over and over to get this into your mind.

:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :

meritocrat

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Psychic
[B]:boohoo:

To be frank I couldn't care less if someone had a 'depressive episode'. I DO know that not all depression is permanent (as you seem to imply).

Ice

[quote]There are solutions to all problems. Does the suicidal person truly believe in or consider that?

You believe that there are solutions to all problems. But why can't death can be a solution?

Is psychiatric help really as valuable? Depression is subjective, and so is psychiatric help. You're merely changing a person's view on what is "right" and "wrong", or what is "valuable" and what is not, agreed?

Is that "better" an objective or subjective opinion?

meritocrat

How is psychiatric help 'subjective'? There must be some absolute treatments for medical treatments. For example, if one has a cut then put pressure on the wound.

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Is that "better" an objective or subjective opinion?

Aren't you spouting subjective opinions? Collectively, all people in this thread are stating that suicide is correct. I don't believe it to be. Who is right and who is wrong?

Ice

Physical wounds require physical treatment, and mental wounds require mental treatment. The problem, perhaps, is that while physical wounds are tangible, mental wounds are not.


I am. Whose subjectivity do we concern ourselves with then? With the individual when he contemplates suicide, wouldn't/shouldn't his subjective notions of worth be the he considers above others'?

meritocrat

OK so if our views are subjective then logically there cannot be an absolute here.

I still believe that suicide is a waste of life and anybody who feels suicidal needs aid in overcoming their difficulty. Some would argue that one should be happy to be alive and only care about their mere existence.

DRFseven

Your whole brain activity consists of electro-chemical transmittals, so to imply that the idea of chemicals affecting thoughts is somehow trivial is ridiculous.

Psychiatry has long attempted to work blindfolded, since the processes were covert. We knew physical processes were going on, but to be able to impact was essentially trial and error method. Now we can see, via imaging, and the scales are falling from our eyes, so to speak. In the last decade, we've seen the proliferation of designer drugs, so called due to the fact that they have been designed to target specific receptor sites.

Thinking patterns both cause and are caused by physical activity of the brain in the form of electro-chemical action. Debilitating thoughts are no exception. Consequently, since experience causes changes in thought (learning), it is possible for a depressed person to be helped by both talk therapy and drug therapy, as well as by other sources of learning. It is all experience in one form or another, and it all results in a change in chemical composition of neural transactions.

Ice

But who decides which are "normal" activities for the brain when it comes to though-processes? An eye is supposed to see, is the mind supposed to be "happy" or "non-depressed"?

DRFseven

A mind isn't "supposed" to be anything; it's just that it must function toward survival or it, obviously, will die. People so depressed they commit suicide, of course, die. In order for this not to happen, the state of their neurotransmitters must be alleviated, and this is possible through many ways. The brain doesn't care how the neurotransmitters come to be there, whether the mix is alterred due to drug therapy, talk therapy, or some other experience.

Ice

Do you think the mind must function towards survival at all costs then? That the brain should always be 'altered' (for lack of a better word) towards keeping the body and itself alive?