sophie

As I noted in another thread, if one proposes omniGOD, then the omniBENOVELENT necessarily has to be the sole provider ELSE the implication is pain, suffering and death. Being the sole provider I mean omniGOD being the giver and the rest being the receivers. Why I propose this is shown in the next paragraph.

When there is an exchange, there is a giver and there is a taker. The giver who gives LOSES what is given. Pain and suffering can ensue dependent on how much is lost OR how much is taken. The taker who gets suffers no loss BUT can manifest a taking syndrome in order to acquire more. Sharing is the final answer.

Clearly if omniGOD is always giving and the rest are always getting, the rest feel no pain or suffering except if one of the rest gets more than the rest. However this is simply overcome if the rest request the same measures.

When we move to the scenario where the interactions of giving and taking is amoung say EARTHLINGS, there will always be losers amoung the humans, there will always be takers from the humans. The implication is clear, some humans will suffer and some humans will face pain. This is avoidable amoung humans if there is fair exchange which is called sharing.

To tie this into the Adam and Eve myth, you can think of the rest.

kctan

You left out what consitutes as a 'fair exchange'. If both sides are agreeable, it may not result in conflict, if either relent upon the exchange conflict may result & thus your suffering comes.

Sharing is not a bad concept but when one side feels that the other is getting a bigger share, conflict arises again.

winstonjen

Sophie, I have two questions I would like you to answer.

1. What, to you, is justice?

2. What purpose is served by eternal punishment?

Doctor X

Incidentally, the whole tree comes from the J [Jawhistic--Ed.] writer. He is not alone in the text he addresses other gods.

If one wishes to stay in the myth, one must consider that.

--J.D.

winstonjen

How do you know he won't change his mind (again) and send you to hell and bring Osama to heaven?

sophie

Would the short incomplete answer do? Yes it will suffice. Justice is a rectification process where equality is restored between all parties concerned. If you can imagine, Justice does not necessarily comprise of punishment, but it does not occlude punishment as a learning/understanding factor.

Eternal punishment has many faces.

There is the face of expectation where all roads you have taken will lead to eternal punishment which could very well be non-existence from the viewpoint of today. This means you will have no further joys or hates as it is.

There is the another face of eternal punishment which is actual punishment which will last an eternity and this is existential as opposed to expectational.

It seems as only expectational eternal punishment is known.


Did these answers help you any?

winstonjen

Please do not presume to know my mind.

Simple English, please.

Of course not. You are trying to confuse me with pointless apologetic drivel.

sophie

winstonjen : I had a good belly laugh when I saw your replies. I had to check your age in your profile to ascertain what may be the problem.

Does soliloquy calm you any?


Justice is a complex one. You only have to count the number of judges and lawyers in Aussie land. Perhaps you should try the deconstruction technique.


If you are confused by the scope of my English then how can you make such an accurate assessment.

winstonjen

Why? What is it about my age?

No.

Deconstruct what? Your 'arguments'? Justice seems simple to me - punishing those for the crimes they commit, not punishing their descendants.

Because a common tactic of apologists is to confuse people.

sophie

If you remember :

So try not to include me in your call to rhetoric. I am a very busy individual.

Deconstruct my definition of Justice, if you can. Your maturity shows through your answer. It lacks insight.


I cannot help it if you are confused. My material is not simplistic. I consider myself immaturely above average in the domain of philosophy. Very egoistic you may add, but this is a fact in my life that I graciously accept.